Tips on grinding stock high tier planes.

[VVaЯF0xу]

Just got stock F-4j. No radar missiles, no bombs. Constantly got ♥♥♥♥ on from like 7 km. Any tips on effective grind?

"Git gud", and "suffer" are already included.

[xCrossFaith]

As boring and obsolete as the mode is, playing Air Assault at least until you have something to bomb bases with is a nice option

[Wandering Flare]

Originally posted by xCrossFaith:

As boring and obsolete as the mode is, playing Air Assault at least until you have something to bomb bases with is a nice option

Not really a good suggestion, without long range missiles you'll barely get any kills before everyone else who brought theirs annihilates the entire bomber spawn.

[Foxtrot39]

My guess is start a bit later so everyone is engaged then do a no turn pass on armor collumn and try to get the light tank and supply truck while keeping max speed up

[nirvana_sth]

Originally posted by VVaЯF0xу:

Just got stock F-4j. No radar missiles, no bombs. Constantly got ♥♥♥♥ on from like 7 km. Any tips on effective grind?

"Git gud", and "suffer" are already included.

You are lucky as nowadays they at least give you 2 good missiles and countermeasures when stock..
I spaded my F-4J and MiG-23MLD when they had no countermeasures and only 2 caged seeker crappy IR missiles like AIM-9B and R-3S.
Life is much easier these days.

[VVaЯF0xу]

Originally posted by nirvana_sth:

Originally posted by VVaЯF0xу:

Just got stock F-4j. No radar missiles, no bombs. Constantly got ♥♥♥♥ on from like 7 km. Any tips on effective grind?

"Git gud", and "suffer" are already included.

You are lucky as nowadays they at least give you 2 good missiles and countermeasures when stock..
I spaded my F-4J and MiG-23MLD when they had no countermeasures and only 2 caged seeker crappy IR missiles like AIM-9B and R-3S.
Life is much easier these days.

Its cool, but i suffer against radar guided missels. Cant even reach base with them sending it in front aspect.

[shadain597]

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

Originally posted by xCrossFaith:

As boring and obsolete as the mode is, playing Air Assault at least until you have something to bomb bases with is a nice option

Not really a good suggestion, without long range missiles you'll barely get any kills before everyone else who brought theirs annihilates the entire bomber spawn.

I can get on the scoreboard with a 9.3 transonic, so I think an F-4 can too. It certainly won't have a great return on time invested, but at least it should be less frustrating than how the PvP is currently going for OP. I probably wouldn't be able to stomach spamming multiple assault matches per day though.

[Wandering Flare]

Originally posted by shadain597:

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

Not really a good suggestion, without long range missiles you'll barely get any kills before everyone else who brought theirs annihilates the entire bomber spawn.

I can get on the scoreboard with a 9.3 transonic, so I think an F-4 can too. It certainly won't have a great return on time invested, but at least it should be less frustrating than how the PvP is currently going for OP. I probably wouldn't be able to stomach spamming multiple assault matches per day though.

If SL isn't an issue, they'll get more RP from just the takeoffs in regular matches compared to Assault in the same span of time.

[Destiny]

You can bomb bases until you obtain countermeasures or missiles. If that doesn't work, you could wait at the airbase for a minute or two while everyone else uses up their missiles. By the time you engage, they should hopefully be out of missiles, allowing you to focus on dogfighting.

[Foxtrot39]

Originally posted by GamerMan:

You can bomb bases until you obtain countermeasures or missiles. If that doesn't work, you could wait at the airbase for a minute or two while everyone else uses up their missiles. By the time you engage, they should hopefully be out of missiles, allowing you to focus on dogfighting.

Joke being I had to grind the Super Etendart but any ordinance had to be grinded

Try playing 10.3 with low velocity 30mm and flare pods that make you turn like a jet bomber due to the drag it cause

Absolute cancer it was

[nirvana_sth]

Originally posted by Foxtrot39:

Originally posted by GamerMan:

You can bomb bases until you obtain countermeasures or missiles. If that doesn't work, you could wait at the airbase for a minute or two while everyone else uses up their missiles. By the time you engage, they should hopefully be out of missiles, allowing you to focus on dogfighting.

Joke being I had to grind the Super Etendart but any ordinance had to be grinded

Try playing 10.3 with low velocity 30mm and flare pods that make you turn like a jet bomber due to the drag it cause

Absolute cancer it was

Bro you have to try top of the line Su-25s then... you never make it to bases and you have to go against F-15s and F-16s in a sub sonic boat of a plane.

[Foxtrot39]

90% of what I gotta fight at 10.3 are already super sonic with much more energy retention, I can get 1000km/h max

Only difference are SARH and IRCCM equiped missile, which ain't worse than me being gunned down whenever someone decided to engage me within 20s while going transonic

Try the same in the SU-25 but remove all your ordinance and you get what I had

No different than playing the vautour facing nothing but MIG 19PT

[nirvana_sth]

Originally posted by Foxtrot39:

90% of what I gotta fight at 10.3 are already super sonic with much more energy retention, I can get 1000km/h max

Only difference are SARH and IRCCM equiped missile, which ain't worse than me being gunned down whenever someone decided to engage me within 20s while going transonic

Try the same in the SU-25 but remove all your ordinance and you get what I had

No different than playing the vautour facing nothing but MIG 19PT

i mean seriously what can you kill with 2xR-60Ms and nothing else in a boat at 13.7?
at least your modules cost a lot less to research!

[Foxtrot39]

its not about the cost of research its about being forced to attack target you can't reach to begin with and then not even have the weapon / gun ammo cap to kill them once you get to them

And lowered cost ain't doing much when you cant score any RP to begin with

Removing stock CAS option on a dedicated strike fighter is as stupid as putting any bomb of a strategic bomber behind a module and make it exclusively fight bomber interceptors : the plane is simply uterly worthless in every situation

You have 2 R-60M, thats 2 attacker AI plane you can shootdown without having to slow down a second and as long you get within 3km of them

I had 2x30mm to kill 2 AA/howitzer per match at best before getting intercepted by someone pulling a 180° just to catch me 15s later, since I cant out turn, out run or have any chance to win the fight without a headon its no different than getting slaped by a missile, its just wasting everyone 50 extra seconds before it happens

[nirvana_sth]

Originally posted by Foxtrot39:

its not about the cost of research its about being forced to attack target you can't reach to begin with and then not even have the weapon / gun ammo cap to kill them once you get to them

And lowered cost ain't doing much when you cant score any RP to begin with

Removing stock CAS option on a dedicated strike fighter is as stupid as putting any bomb of a strategic bomber behind a module and make it exclusively fight bomber interceptors : the plane is simply uterly worthless in every situation

You have 2 R-60M, thats 2 attacker AI plane you can shootdown without having to slow down a second and as long you get within 3km of them

I had 2x30mm to kill 2 AA/howitzer per match at best before getting intercepted by someone pulling a 180° just to catch me 15s later, since I cant out turn, out run or have any chance to win the fight without a headon its no different than getting slaped by a missile, its just wasting everyone 50 extra seconds before it happens

If anyone out there could get to 2 AI planes or 2 howitzers with Su-25SM3 please raise your hands.

[Foxtrot39]

If you cant reach those then you have a serious issue using terrain cover , planning a route and just choosing when to move to the front

Not all maps are an open 50km plain without any geographic features