Russian tanks are way to OP

[G3VEDO-]

My Abrams and Leos die in 1-2 shots, But my T72 Just tanks as many shots as it feels like, Its really annoying how I end up using my 9.3 t72 more in 10.3 than my actual 10.3 vehicles at that br just because The t72 refuses to die.

[Black_Fox]

Just for the fun of it:
There is also a difference in modern terminology between rocket and missile - Rockets are unguided, missile refers to guided ammunition

[DrunkenTee]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

"There are also unpowered guided glide bombs not considered missiles."

There's a reason we call bombs bombs and not gravity-propelled missiles, bullets bullets instead of gas-expansion-propelled missiles and so on. AGM is established to mean Air-to-Ground Missile, the original meaning of "missile" is completely irrelevant and you are arguing semantics that don't even pass the "um ackshually" test.

the definition I provided is still the first any real dictionary will tell you and is still in common use even if some might insist otherwise.

Ever played age of empires, there are large numbers of missile units and not one that fits your more narrow definition. What you are referring to is not the English definition but a more narrowly defined jargon

Just because some people insist on misusing the language doesn’t mean the rest of us have to. No matter how you like to argue even the military called the walleye an AGM because that’s what it is regardless of certain ‘um ackshually’ internet posters. Even the military knows what the term means, they are using the English definition and literally altered their own invented jargon that is only a few decades old to fit

Well damn, I guess Oxford, Cambridge and Merriam-Webster lied to me. They should reach out to you to fix the English language then!

[DrunkenTee]

Originally posted by nirvana_sth:

Originally posted by DrunkenTee:

See what you have started?

Not my fault they're dumb.

[DrunkenTee]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Just like some attack aircraft get F series designations just because the military chooses how to use and misuse their own terminology which has no bearing in english

Like which?

[nirvana_sth]

guys i need your wisdom elsewhere!
i got a thread for T-72s autoloader if you can help me there its greatly appreciated.

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Black_Fox:

Just for the fun of it:
There is also a difference in modern terminology between rocket and missile - Rockets are unguided, missile refers to guided ammunition

And in an English sentence you would be 100% correct in calling a rocket ‘missile’

Where it gets really fun is the attempts to make guidance packages for rockets leading to fun names like ‘direct attack guided rocket’

The military defined the term not through natural evolution of the language but through a decision to use it in that way. And they can redefine it as they please but they don’t redefine the English language by doing so

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by DrunkenTee:

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Just like some attack aircraft get F series designations just because the military chooses how to use and misuse their own terminology which has no bearing in english

Like which?

f117 for one, f111 for another

In the former they gave the nighthawk a fighter designation because they wanted fighter jocks at the controls so it was a deliberate misnaming

For the aardvark it was actually intended to have a fighter variant with the same phoenix missiles as the f14 but it never materialised, hence a bomber named like it’s a fighter

[Blyatman]

Originally posted by G3vedo♿:

My Abrams and Leos die in 1-2 shots, But my T72 Just tanks as many shots as it feels like, Its really annoying how I end up using my 9.3 t72 more in 10.3 than my actual 10.3 vehicles at that br just because The t72 refuses to die.

sounds like skill issue

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by DrunkenTee:

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

the definition I provided is still the first any real dictionary will tell you and is still in common use even if some might insist otherwise.

Ever played age of empires, there are large numbers of missile units and not one that fits your more narrow definition. What you are referring to is not the English definition but a more narrowly defined jargon

Just because some people insist on misusing the language doesn’t mean the rest of us have to. No matter how you like to argue even the military called the walleye an AGM because that’s what it is regardless of certain ‘um ackshually’ internet posters. Even the military knows what the term means, they are using the English definition and literally altered their own invented jargon that is only a few decades old to fit

Well damn, I guess Oxford, Cambridge and Merriam-Webster lied to me. They should reach out to you to fix the English language then!

Funny because it’s Oxford I got the definition I quoted earlier, here it is again if you missed it

Missile
noun
an object which is forcibly propelled at a target, either by hand or from a mechanical weapon.

gee I wonder why we still call archers in age of empires ‘missile units’ if the military can just arbitrarily redefine the language as they please, oh wait they can’t and the original meaning is still correct no matter how much the military fanboys might cry about it

[Wandering Flare]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Originally posted by Black_Fox:

Just for the fun of it:
There is also a difference in modern terminology between rocket and missile - Rockets are unguided, missile refers to guided ammunition

And in an English sentence you would be 100% correct in calling a rocket ‘missile’

Where it gets really fun is the attempts to make guidance packages for rockets leading to fun names like ‘direct attack guided rocket’

The military defined the term not through natural evolution of the language but through a decision to use it in that way. And they can redefine it as they please but they don’t redefine the English language by doing so

So why did they make the term "GBU" following the term "GB" to describe the exact same kind of munition that AGM-62A is and didn't instead name every other guided bomb an AGM, since you're trying to argue that AGM was completely correct for it and they named it so because of the non-munitions-specific term of "missile"?

Around the same time as AGM-62A they would also make BOLT-117 which is the same kind of munition, the BO standing for "BOmb", not "Missile".

[DrunkenTee]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Originally posted by DrunkenTee:

Like which?

f117 for one, f111 for another

In the former they gave the nighthawk a fighter designation because they wanted fighter jocks at the controls so it was a deliberate misnaming

For the aardvark it was actually intended to have a fighter variant with the same phoenix missiles as the f14 but it never materialised

Oh I was hoping you would name the F-111!

The F-111 isn't a bomber, it is a multirole fighter and never was intended to be a sole bomber. Its initial main armament were two Aim-54A Phoenix, two Aim-7G Sparrows and two Aim-9P Sidewinder, rounded up with all kind of AGMs, GBUs and dumb bombs. It only ended up solely doing bombing missions due to other fighters simply being more capable in that multirole aspect.

The F-117 was meant to be the first stealth capable fighter, hence development was started with that designation, they decided during development that it may be used in other missions than air superiority, hence it basically became the first stealth bomber. I'll kindly give you that one, as they never bothered to redesignate it.

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

And in an English sentence you would be 100% correct in calling a rocket ‘missile’

Where it gets really fun is the attempts to make guidance packages for rockets leading to fun names like ‘direct attack guided rocket’

The military defined the term not through natural evolution of the language but through a decision to use it in that way. And they can redefine it as they please but they don’t redefine the English language by doing so

So why did they make the term "GBU" following the term "GB" to describe the exact same kind of munition that AGM-62A is and didn't instead name every other guided bomb an AGM, since you're trying to argue that AGM was completely correct for it and they named it so because of the non-munitions-specific term of "missile"?

Around the same time as AGM-62A they would also make BOLT-117 which is the same kind of munition, the BO standing for "BOmb", not "Missile".

why do they have all these designations for things I wonder, and why do they keep changing their minds and calling a guidance package on a rocket a guided rocket. Couldn’t be because they are invented terminology

No matter how you might cry the US military does not have the power to redefine the English language as they please. They can choose to use it in certain ways, and even misuse their own terminology as they please. None of it affects English as a whole

[DrunkenTee]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

gee I wonder why we still call archers in age of empires ‘missile units’

We? Nobody I know calls them "missile units", they are simply called archers or crossbowmen.

[DrunkenTee]

By the way we are SO getting modded for derailing.

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by DrunkenTee:

By the way we are SO getting modded for derailing.

It was inevitable at least a page ago, but hey as long as we are having fun, not like the original subject wasn’t dead as a doornail