Russian tanks are way to OP

[G3VEDO-]

My Abrams and Leos die in 1-2 shots, But my T72 Just tanks as many shots as it feels like, Its really annoying how I end up using my 9.3 t72 more in 10.3 than my actual 10.3 vehicles at that br just because The t72 refuses to die.

[G3VEDO-]

Origineel geplaatst door Miles "Tails" Prower:

Origineel geplaatst door Kenlict:

Well the game uses the data released by nations. Russia is notorious for lying about their technology acting like its beyond comprehension. Also the M1 abrams is like 50 years old and Russia gets modern tech.

The Abrams doesn't even get TROPHY if I remember, even though they made it

I thought trophy was only on the sep v3 if im not mistaken? Might be wrong tho.

[BlackWolf9988]

Italy the nation with the worst high tier tanks proves again that its 100% a skill issue by having the best win rate of 75%.

Russian tanks are kinda mid and only have good upper plate and turret armor going for them (you shouldn't rely on armor in high tier). Russians do suffer massively due to the lack of gun depression (any hilly map they are useless) and terrible reverse speed (t72/t90 = 4 kmh, t80 = 10 kmh) meaning they cant really pull back out of a fight to repair when hit. Russians generally lack good mobility throughout the tech tree with a lack of fast deadly no armor alternatives like a stryker. They also get thermals later on average on their tank at around 10.3 (10.0 for premium t72). T series tanks also have a big weakpoint by the driver window.

Abrams is does have a big turret ring which holds it back but they have good speed and depression which they can work around. Abrams kinda mid.

Meanwhile top tier leo 2 tanks from germany/sweden are the best tanks in top tier because they get all the advantages of NATO tanks meaning good speed and gun depression + really good frontal armor. Also when slighly angled it becomes really hard trying to kill the 11.7 leos when trying to hit their driver window weakspot.

I do believe china is better than russia because they fix the reverse speed in later tanks and they have a nice variety of vics who imo are often in a way to low BR, example the german radkampfwagen at 9.7 doesn't get thermals but the similar chinese vic PTL02 gets the thermals at 9.0.

[Shyue Chou]

Origineel geplaatst door BlackWolf9988:

I do believe china is better than russia because they fix the reverse speed in later tanks and they have a nice variety of vics who imo are often in a way to low BR, example the german radkampfwagen at 9.7 doesn't get thermals but the similar chinese vic PTL02 gets the thermals at 9.0.

PTL02 reverse speed -8 km/h, gun depression -4 degrees. Not my cup of tea.

[BlackWolf9988]

Origineel geplaatst door Shyue Chou:

Origineel geplaatst door BlackWolf9988:

I do believe china is better than russia because they fix the reverse speed in later tanks and they have a nice variety of vics who imo are often in a way to low BR, example the german radkampfwagen at 9.7 doesn't get thermals but the similar chinese vic PTL02 gets the thermals at 9.0.

PTL02 reverse speed -8 km/h, gun depression -4 degrees. Not my cup of tea.

I guess but having thermals especially gen 2 thermals more than makes up for it at that BR.

[JuX]

T-72's aren't that bad. Thou Object 292 is a pain as it's turret seems to be immune to tank shells as it shatters them effortlessly, even on broadside.


But do say that russian top tier ERA is suspecious. Sometimes the ERA simply doesn't take any damage despite it negates a hit. Im no expert, but im sure thats not how it works. Otherwise infantry and trucks would be covered in ERA.

[nuke]

Origineel geplaatst door Shyue Chou:

Origineel geplaatst door BlackWolf9988:

I do believe china is better than russia because they fix the reverse speed in later tanks and they have a nice variety of vics who imo are often in a way to low BR, example the german radkampfwagen at 9.7 doesn't get thermals but the similar chinese vic PTL02 gets the thermals at 9.0.

PTL02 reverse speed -8 km/h, gun depression -4 degrees. Not my cup of tea.

should also mention that the damn thing is barely stabilised, it wobbles horribly when stopping to take a shot AND that the whole hull is an ammo rack

[BOBTHEBALL]

T series are the easiest to 1-shot, stop complaining for no reason and maybe use the things you have called eyes to aim properly.

[DrunkenTee]

Modern Russian MBTs are the easiest to kill in the whole game lmao. Skill issue.

[Wandering Flare]

Origineel geplaatst door DrunkenTee:

Modern Russian MBTs are the easiest to kill in the whole game lmao. Skill issue.

That's an interesting statement, considering they have the most armor out of all MBTs in the game, which is to say they have any armor whatsoever.

[Karl Marx (ص)]

Origineel geplaatst door G3vedo♿:

Origineel geplaatst door Karl Marx (ص):

Killing T-series tanks is so easy, apart from occasional side ERA shots, aim for side tracks, front lower panel, or gun breach, or driver window.

There is no Russian bias in those terms. maybe for the SU25 missile and Pantsir you could argue that, for please don't make a clown of yourself but calling Russian armor biased.
specially when their reload rate is static and is slower than majority of the tanks they go against these days.

Slower reload, harder to kill if you cant see sides or lfp, very powerful apfsds until 11.3 where other nations catch up, and unlike the abrams and leo, the turret ring on most T series tanks are decently hard to hit unless you are up close, I don't feel like they are the be all end all of warthunder, But they definitely feel slightly under Brfro what they should be.

I think we can also agree that a lot of the non pens/ no damage shots can be narrowed down to crappy Gaijin volumetrics, but that's all speculation.

I have no problem with these tanks, and have a decent kd with most vehicles that I main, But there is without a doubt something odd about some of Russia's tanks.

There is no way to "balance" tanks, everything boils down to known information and W/L ratio, which USSR is still struggling up until top tier.

Abrams are just bad dude, unless they implement the very few models that received turret cheek armor with DU, there is nothing Gaijin can do.

they already got a reload buff, have a decent mobility and depression, if it would get a guaranteed non-penable turret it would be over for the other side.

[Karl Marx (ص)]

Origineel geplaatst door Wandering Flare:

Origineel geplaatst door DrunkenTee:

Modern Russian MBTs are the easiest to kill in the whole game lmao. Skill issue.

That's an interesting statement, considering they have the most armor out of all MBTs in the game, which is to say they have any armor whatsoever.

Have you seen Leopard 2A5+ in action?

[Wandering Flare]

Origineel geplaatst door Karl Marx (ص):

Origineel geplaatst door Wandering Flare:

That's an interesting statement, considering they have the most armor out of all MBTs in the game, which is to say they have any armor whatsoever.

Have you seen Leopard 2A5+ in action?

Yes, they are paper boxes that die if you shoot them anywhere besides the cheeks. I'm still surprised people have problems with them and somehow claim others have skill issues.

[nirvana_sth]

Yeh well T-72s are super good in this game, and when playing Germany 10.3~11.3 I often take my 9.3 T-72M, and it performs extra well. T-80s? No problem. If T-72/80s weren't good in this game, would gaijin give most nations at least 1 of them? Even UK got one!

[DrunkenTee]

Origineel geplaatst door Wandering Flare:

Origineel geplaatst door DrunkenTee:

Modern Russian MBTs are the easiest to kill in the whole game lmao. Skill issue.

That's an interesting statement, considering they have the most armor out of all MBTs in the game, which is to say they have any armor whatsoever.

Just aim center mass lol, guaranteed kill.

Origineel geplaatst door Wandering Flare:

Origineel geplaatst door Karl Marx (ص):

Have you seen Leopard 2A5+ in action?

Yes, they are paper boxes that die if you shoot them anywhere besides the cheeks. I'm still surprised people have problems with them and somehow claim others have skill issues.

Use them hull-down as the whole ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tank is designed for specifically that? Major clown vibes.

[Wandering Flare]

Origineel geplaatst door DrunkenTee:

Origineel geplaatst door Wandering Flare:

That's an interesting statement, considering they have the most armor out of all MBTs in the game, which is to say they have any armor whatsoever.

Just aim center mass lol, guaranteed kill.

Origineel geplaatst door Wandering Flare:

Yes, they are paper boxes that die if you shoot them anywhere besides the cheeks. I'm still surprised people have problems with them and somehow claim others have skill issues.

Use them hull-down as the whole ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tank is designed for specifically that? Major clown vibes.

Centermass on a top tier T-series is impenetrable ERA, try harder and maybe learn to aim because in a hull down you just pop one into a NATO breech area and they die just as easily as if they were out in the open.