can you add the f22 and f35

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galgin

[Goofy Goober]

F22 F35 are Goyslop paper planes. what we all really want is the Chengdu J-20

[Beast of War]

Nguyên văn bởi Cadako:

Lol wut. We literally have dozens of air war games occurring IRL where F22's regularly stomp multiple enemies before they have any idea the F22 is there. Sure you don't have to believe US sources, but when non-US sources from a dozen other nations back it up, you're just being dumb if you jot it down to propaganda. You sound salty essentially and I assume are from Russia where you felt an emotional kneejerk response was needed here which is just priceless given what you just spouted out there. Of course the F22 isn't invincible, but to claim it can't do the things that are publicly documented is just dumb considering there are more than likely things we have no idea that it can do or has done IRL. Gaijin would never attempt to put it in the game, and if they did, the entire community knows it wouldn't be done well as we also already know they leave key elements out of many current top tier US jets as is for the sake of balance. Your comment and opinion is laughable ♥♥♥♥♥-bot.

Stealth was never invisible, just unusable to acquire a lock on. A massive increase in computing power however can can get a solution on extreme weak signals, when it puts together (radar) data from other ( ground based or airborne ) sources and angles on that signal, They even use sound listening posts as military jets are far from quiet and this sound can be processed to speed, altitude and heading as well.

Add to this that the F22 is already decades old and you can figure out how effective stealth will be in this day and age, when you still assume penetrating the airspace of developed countries is still possible.

And it was not my words - but US Senators in congress - calling the F35 a multi-billion paper weight, when addressing it's under 40 % operability.

My country was probably bribed, forced or lured into buying less then 20 of these, did not receive all of them and going from the US senators numbers only 4 of them will be operable. Compare this to the cold war era where my country owned 212 F16's. Tell me again the defense of my country improved since then....i laugh at EU warmongers that must look like high ptiched barking Chihuahau to some powerful nations. Other then bully some former colonial piss poor countries - under guise of "peace keeping missions" - that fight for their independence, what are they going to do ?

[Eftwyrd]

Nguyên văn bởi Beast of War:

Nguyên văn bởi Cadako:

Lol wut. We literally have dozens of air war games occurring IRL where F22's regularly stomp multiple enemies before they have any idea the F22 is there. Sure you don't have to believe US sources, but when non-US sources from a dozen other nations back it up, you're just being dumb if you jot it down to propaganda. You sound salty essentially and I assume are from Russia where you felt an emotional kneejerk response was needed here which is just priceless given what you just spouted out there. Of course the F22 isn't invincible, but to claim it can't do the things that are publicly documented is just dumb considering there are more than likely things we have no idea that it can do or has done IRL. Gaijin would never attempt to put it in the game, and if they did, the entire community knows it wouldn't be done well as we also already know they leave key elements out of many current top tier US jets as is for the sake of balance. Your comment and opinion is laughable ♥♥♥♥♥-bot.

Stealth was never invisible, just unusable to acquire a lock on. A massive increase in computing power however can can get a solution on extreme weak signals, when it puts together (radar) data from other ( ground based or airborne ) sources and angles on that signal, They even use sound listening posts as military jets are far from quiet and this sound can be processed to speed, altitude and heading as well.

Add to this that the F22 is already decades old and you can figure out how effective stealth will be in this day and age, when you still assume penetrating the airspace of developed countries is still possible.

And it was not my words - but US Senators in congress - calling the F35 a multi-billion paper weight, when addressing it's under 40 % operability.

let’s not forget stealth isn’t universal, its designed to work against specific frequencies that you expect the enemies radar to use and is less or outright non effective outside that

Did we forget that stealth aircraft are frequently detected on non military bands, like civil radar stations used for traffic control

Gee wouldn’t it be a shame if the standard for modern radar was a fully programmable solid state system that varies frequencies even between pulses as it’s standard behaviour and doing something else would just be a software update away

It’s almost like stealth is a gimmick a certain nation spent billions developing and is desperately trying to maintain the illusion they didn’t just flush that money down the toilet

Remember that whole hullabaloo about selling turkey the f35, but the US was scared because they operate Russian SAMs and the data would get back to Russia. That wasn’t because they thought the SAMs wouldn’t be able to detect the thing… they were terrified how easy it would be to adapt once your enemy has seen it

[DeepSpace]

Nguyên văn bởi Dog Barf:

Nguyên văn bởi Venom:

Probably never, since Russia has no competitive aircraft.

You forgot the part where Gaijin poorly implements stealth, erasing the main advantage the F-22 and F-35 have over their Russian and Chinese counterparts.

Not to mention them giving the Su-57 UFO flight model because sekrit dokuments komrade xaxaxaxaxa

Stealth is obsolete they get shot down all the same by any force better equipped than farmers.

[Pat]

Nguyên văn bởi DeepSpace:

Nguyên văn bởi Dog Barf:

You forgot the part where Gaijin poorly implements stealth, erasing the main advantage the F-22 and F-35 have over their Russian and Chinese counterparts.

Not to mention them giving the Su-57 UFO flight model because sekrit dokuments komrade xaxaxaxaxa

Stealth is obsolete they get shot down all the same by any force better equipped than farmers.

You should work for the pentagon bc you seem to know it better lmao

[JuX]

Why are you guys argue about this?

The stealth has practical use even if it isn't absolute. Reducing range of detection and indentification is always advantage for the aircraft. Even after decades it doesn't mean it's obsolete as technology advances both ways and there are 100 year old military hardware in use to this day as well.

And if you think about 1 on 1 situation between aircrafts then stealth capabilities become even more huge of an advantage. And even cause difficulties to the missiles to track.

[Cadako]

Nguyên văn bởi JuX:

Why are you guys argue about this?

The stealth has practical use even if it isn't absolute. Reducing range of detection and indentification is always advantage for the aircraft. Even after decades it doesn't mean it's obsolete as technology advances both ways and there are 100 year old military hardware in use to this day as well.

And if you think about 1 on 1 situation between aircrafts then stealth capabilities become even more huge of an advantage. And even cause difficulties to the missiles to track.

The morons arguing against the F22’s stealth capabilities are doing so from the standpoint of active engagement and not from prior engagement when it matters most. After being picked up, you’re just another target, but you can’t pick up the F22 to begin with if it’s already fired its payload at you from miles back before you knew they were there. That’s stealth.

[Cadako]

Nguyên văn bởi Beast of War:

Nguyên văn bởi Cadako:

Lol wut. We literally have dozens of air war games occurring IRL where F22's regularly stomp multiple enemies before they have any idea the F22 is there. Sure you don't have to believe US sources, but when non-US sources from a dozen other nations back it up, you're just being dumb if you jot it down to propaganda. You sound salty essentially and I assume are from Russia where you felt an emotional kneejerk response was needed here which is just priceless given what you just spouted out there. Of course the F22 isn't invincible, but to claim it can't do the things that are publicly documented is just dumb considering there are more than likely things we have no idea that it can do or has done IRL. Gaijin would never attempt to put it in the game, and if they did, the entire community knows it wouldn't be done well as we also already know they leave key elements out of many current top tier US jets as is for the sake of balance. Your comment and opinion is laughable ♥♥♥♥♥-bot.

Stealth was never invisible, just unusable to acquire a lock on. A massive increase in computing power however can can get a solution on extreme weak signals, when it puts together (radar) data from other ( ground based or airborne ) sources and angles on that signal, They even use sound listening posts as military jets are far from quiet and this sound can be processed to speed, altitude and heading as well.

Add to this that the F22 is already decades old and you can figure out how effective stealth will be in this day and age, when you still assume penetrating the airspace of developed countries is still possible.

And it was not my words - but US Senators in congress - calling the F35 a multi-billion paper weight, when addressing it's under 40 % operability.

My country was probably bribed, forced or lured into buying less then 20 of these, did not receive all of them and going from the US senators numbers only 4 of them will be operable. Compare this to the cold war era where my country owned 212 F16's. Tell me again the defense of my country improved since then....i laugh at EU warmongers that must look like high ptiched barking Chihuahau to some powerful nations. Other then bully some former colonial piss poor countries - under guise of "peace keeping missions" - that fight for their independence, what are they going to do ?

One, I said invincible, not invisible. Big difference there for you to formulate your argument around and two…you’re argument is the F22 is decades old and that modern equipment can pick it up when while true, that’s not what it would be matched with but I find it priceless that you had to mention that your guys’ modern tech is what it takes to pick up a decades old aircraft’s stealth capabilities while in the first place.

The F35 can suck it for all I care though so no argument there.

[Foxtrot39]

Not enough calssified leaks, the one on the F-35 didn't gave enought insight we'll need more of it /s

[Callaghan]

Nguyên văn bởi ZEON:

Nguyên văn bởi Akagi:

Not if every other nation doesn't have anything to compete with

Like the pantsir? hahaha

That's GBAD, hardly a competitor. And they can kill Pantsir without even being detected by it.

[Callaghan]

Nguyên văn bởi DeepSpace:

Nguyên văn bởi Dog Barf:

You forgot the part where Gaijin poorly implements stealth, erasing the main advantage the F-22 and F-35 have over their Russian and Chinese counterparts.

Not to mention them giving the Su-57 UFO flight model because sekrit dokuments komrade xaxaxaxaxa

Stealth is obsolete they get shot down all the same by any force better equipped than farmers.

Those planes have never been shot down. There really is no competition for them, keep coping though.

[Callaghan]

Nguyên văn bởi Cadako:

Nguyên văn bởi Beast of War:

Stealth was never invisible, just unusable to acquire a lock on. A massive increase in computing power however can can get a solution on extreme weak signals, when it puts together (radar) data from other ( ground based or airborne ) sources and angles on that signal, They even use sound listening posts as military jets are far from quiet and this sound can be processed to speed, altitude and heading as well.

Add to this that the F22 is already decades old and you can figure out how effective stealth will be in this day and age, when you still assume penetrating the airspace of developed countries is still possible.

And it was not my words - but US Senators in congress - calling the F35 a multi-billion paper weight, when addressing it's under 40 % operability.

My country was probably bribed, forced or lured into buying less then 20 of these, did not receive all of them and going from the US senators numbers only 4 of them will be operable. Compare this to the cold war era where my country owned 212 F16's. Tell me again the defense of my country improved since then....i laugh at EU warmongers that must look like high ptiched barking Chihuahau to some powerful nations. Other then bully some former colonial piss poor countries - under guise of "peace keeping missions" - that fight for their independence, what are they going to do ?

One, I said invincible, not invisible. Big difference there for you to formulate your argument around and two…you’re argument is the F22 is decades old and that modern equipment can pick it up when while true, that’s not what it would be matched with but I find it priceless that you had to mention that your guys’ modern tech is what it takes to pick up a decades old aircraft’s stealth capabilities while in the first place.

The F35 can suck it for all I care though so no argument there.

Then you really don't understand the F-35.

[Labdog]

Nguyên văn bởi Foxtrot39:

Not enough calssified leaks, the one on the F-35 didn't gave enought insight we'll need more of it /s

/s what? It would be very entertaining if more classified info about these planes was leaked.
I 100% encourage someone who can to do so, for uhh.. science and curiousity, yes.

[Cadako]

Nguyên văn bởi Callaghan:

Nguyên văn bởi Cadako:

One, I said invincible, not invisible. Big difference there for you to formulate your argument around and two…you’re argument is the F22 is decades old and that modern equipment can pick it up when while true, that’s not what it would be matched with but I find it priceless that you had to mention that your guys’ modern tech is what it takes to pick up a decades old aircraft’s stealth capabilities while in the first place.

The F35 can suck it for all I care though so no argument there.

Then you really don't understand the F-35.

Are you replying to me or the other guy? Cause I simply don’t care for the F35 in general which is why I have no argument for it, not because I have an opinion on its role or performance.