J7e's ruining air rb

[I AM THE LAW!]

So after the BR changes, all the phantoms and migs went up...except the j7e? why?! It's capable of out dog fighting a f16, and you pit it against j35s, f8e's, f4's, aj37s, and mig 21s!?
What the heck gaijin? You say "we care about balancing the game" but then you do crap like this and expect us to be happy?! Please up the j7E to atleast 11.7. it makes 0 sense being at 11.0

[I AM THE LAW!]

Originally posted by Azure:

how do you die to j-7e at that br?

just get him into a head on and shoot a radar missile at him because he doesn't have any of his own

A moment of silence for all the 10.3-11.0 aircraft that don't have radar missiles, or good ones at least.

[AP1028]

Originally posted by Craftfaster:

Originally posted by Dog Barf:

You're not suppose to win a 1v2 against two 11.0 planes while in your 10.3 paper plane. Avoid dog fighting the J7E because it will kick your ass no matter what. Other 11.0 aircraft in your team should be dealing with them and you can either engage the J7E while it's distracted or try to head-on it, just DO NOT stay there to dog fight it, if you miss, just keep flying away and re-engage if you can get a good angle. If you get caught in a 1v1 by a J7E and can't escape, you die, move on to the next match. I do think the J7E should be moved up to 11.3.

Okay, so we agree that it shouldn't be 11.0, that's good. but I think it should be AT LEAST, BARE MINIMUM 11.7. preferably 12.0 or 12.3 since it can basically dog fight f16s and win.
10.3-10.7 can and should be able to handle itself against 11.0s because otherwise that would be completely unfair. Also, you say that you shouldn't dogfight the j7e, but what else are you supposed to do what it also outruns you!? the balancing since the br changes has been REALLY screwed up, and is forcing a lot of planes like the aj37, f4c, f5c, a-10, f4f to fight stuff that they cannot handle at all. like just J out if you see a uptier. that's stupid!

Moving J-7E to 11.7, 12.0 or 12.3 would be absolutely madness. In what way is J-7E with 4x rear-aspect missile and 60 rounds of gun as capable as a MiG-23, F-4S, or even a Mirage 2000, and why should it ever meet an F-14?
And no, J-7E cannot win a dogfight against an F-16 as long as the F-16 pilot knows basic speed management.
If you want J-7E to move to 11.7 because you own a 10.3 premium, then I must point out that you would see the J-7E at 11.0 before the BR change regardless, so nothing really changed. Just fight them the same way you fight them before. Run away or stay defensive until it runs out of ammo like how J-7E players had to stay defensive until the F-14 run out of sparrows and AIM-54s last patch.
The only BRs that are reasonable for J-7E are 11.0 and 11.3. It is a good 11.0 and would still do decently well at 11.3, but claiming that it should be 'AT LEAST, BARE MINIMUM 11.7' just shows me how little you know about planes above BR 11.7.

[Labdog]

Originally posted by Craftfaster:

Okay, so we agree that it shouldn't be 11.0, that's good. but I think it should be AT LEAST, BARE MINIMUM 11.7. preferably 12.0 or 12.3 since it can basically dog fight f16s and win.
10.3-10.7 can and should be able to handle itself against 11.0s because otherwise that would be completely unfair. Also, you say that you shouldn't dogfight the j7e, but what else are you supposed to do what it also outruns you!? the balancing since the br changes has been REALLY screwed up, and is forcing a lot of planes like the aj37, f4c, f5c, a-10, f4f to fight stuff that they cannot handle at all. like just J out if you see a uptier. that's stupid!

11.3 would be fine for it since it only has rear aspect ir missiles. I've played a lot of the J7E and it's biggest counter is being head-on by a radar guided missile. Most 10.0 and 10.3 planes don't have those let alone a good enough radar to reliably use them.

It's normal for 10.3 aircraft to be disadvantaged against 11.0+ ones, I suggest when dealing with J7Es you can do some of the following:
FIrst - Do not 1v1 it, try to outnumber it with the help of teammates.
Second - If you are forced to engage it, go for head-ons and if you miss, then just keep flying away and putting as much distance as possible, it is likely it will choose a different target instead of turning around to chase you.
Third - Always stay fast, most J7Es are turning and maneuvering around alot and aren't going full speed. The AJ37, F4s and F5C can keep the J7E at a distance if they are going fast.
Fourth - This more difficult to keep track of, but the J7E doesn't carry a lot of fuel, in big maps, after around 5-7 minutes it may run low and you can try to boom and zoom it while not committing to a dog fight, it is risky but there is a chance you can force it to burn all it's remaining fuel trying to dodge or chase you.

The J7E is a difficult opponent but you can defend yourself by not getting into the situation it wants you to be in, make it waste time, make yourself a difficult target to reach and attack it when it's distracted or slow. Try to use your teammates as a buffer between you and the J7E.

[French Cat]

I saw it while flying my plane that cannot fight it. Me mad.

[I AM THE LAW!]

Originally posted by AP1028:

Originally posted by Craftfaster:

Okay, so we agree that it shouldn't be 11.0, that's good. but I think it should be AT LEAST, BARE MINIMUM 11.7. preferably 12.0 or 12.3 since it can basically dog fight f16s and win.
10.3-10.7 can and should be able to handle itself against 11.0s because otherwise that would be completely unfair. Also, you say that you shouldn't dogfight the j7e, but what else are you supposed to do what it also outruns you!? the balancing since the br changes has been REALLY screwed up, and is forcing a lot of planes like the aj37, f4c, f5c, a-10, f4f to fight stuff that they cannot handle at all. like just J out if you see a uptier. that's stupid!

Moving J-7E to 11.7, 12.0 or 12.3 would be absolutely madness. In what way is J-7E with 4x rear-aspect missile and 60 rounds of gun as capable as a MiG-23, F-4S, or even a Mirage 2000, and why should it ever meet an F-14?
And no, J-7E cannot win a dogfight against an F-16 as long as the F-16 pilot knows basic speed management.
If you want J-7E to move to 11.7 because you own a 10.3 premium, then I must point out that you would see the J-7E at 11.0 before the BR change regardless, so nothing really changed. Just fight them the same way you fight them before. Run away or stay defensive until it runs out of ammo like how J-7E players had to stay defensive until the F-14 run out of sparrows and AIM-54s last patch.
The only BRs that are reasonable for J-7E are 11.0 and 11.3. It is a good 11.0 and would still do decently well at 11.3, but claiming that it should be 'AT LEAST, BARE MINIMUM 11.7' just shows me how little you know about planes above BR 11.7.

"And no, J-7E cannot win a dogfight against an F-16 as long as the F-16 pilot knows basic speed management." Because most f16 players don't know "basic" speed management, also to beat a j7e in a f16 requires a lot of time, A LOT. because you cannot outturn it, you have to energy trap him. The j7e was doing just fine in the previous BR brackets, it's stomping now because they didn't move it at all. it's not okay leaving it where it is. I challenge you to play 10.0-11.0 aircraft and see how hard it is to fight 3-4 j7e's. Sure it doesn't get sarh missiles, or a good radar, but it also has no right dunking on poor 10.7s that can't even run away.
Besides, your solution for "beating" the j7e does not work in real battles. you're not gonna win by running away from a j7e in a j35 or j37, you might survive 1, but you will not survive 4. again, try playing the BR range and see how bad it is as US or sweden.

[Frostn0va]

skill issues

[淡烟流水]

Originally posted by FNG安东猎妈人:

skill issue

[Vriz]

Originally posted by Craftfaster:

Originally posted by AP1028:

Moving J-7E to 11.7, 12.0 or 12.3 would be absolutely madness. In what way is J-7E with 4x rear-aspect missile and 60 rounds of gun as capable as a MiG-23, F-4S, or even a Mirage 2000, and why should it ever meet an F-14?
And no, J-7E cannot win a dogfight against an F-16 as long as the F-16 pilot knows basic speed management.
If you want J-7E to move to 11.7 because you own a 10.3 premium, then I must point out that you would see the J-7E at 11.0 before the BR change regardless, so nothing really changed. Just fight them the same way you fight them before. Run away or stay defensive until it runs out of ammo like how J-7E players had to stay defensive until the F-14 run out of sparrows and AIM-54s last patch.
The only BRs that are reasonable for J-7E are 11.0 and 11.3. It is a good 11.0 and would still do decently well at 11.3, but claiming that it should be 'AT LEAST, BARE MINIMUM 11.7' just shows me how little you know about planes above BR 11.7.

Besides, your solution for "beating" the j7e does not work in real battles. you're not gonna win by running away from a j7e in a j35 or j37, you might survive 1, but you will not survive 4. again, try playing the BR range and see how bad it is as US or sweden.

Just letting you know, you can definitely outrun the J7E in the J35s and J37s, the J7E's wings wishes it sees 1400km/h and not rip itself apart

now the missiles are a different story

[冰糖淀粉肠]

你觉得这么强可以亲自去玩一玩，如果觉得比F16强你怎么不去使用J7e，而选择去使用F16，事实上，这个权重是合理的，玩美国空军给你的脑子玩傻了没有大局观，J7e的速度比mig23更慢，使用拖带完全能赢，而不是一头只喜欢转圈圈，我建议你应该看看jas39的权重合理性，无论是雷达性能还是导弹或者是格斗能力都是最高的。
You think you're so strong that you can go and play around with it yourself. If you think the J7e is stronger than the F16, why don't you use it instead of the F16? In fact, the weighting is reasonable. Have the US Air Force's brain games made you stupid with no sense of the big picture? The J7e is slower than the Mig-23, and using a drag-and-pull maneuver would be enough to win, rather than just doing circles. I suggest you take a look at the reasonableness of the JAS-39's weighting, as its radar performance, missiles, and aerial combat capabilities are all the highest.

[時雨！]

Originally posted by med:

Originally posted by FNG安东猎妈人:

skill issue

it has been clear to everyone for a long time that the Chinese government is sponsoring the balance in this game.

This is your gaming skills issue, kid. Play more games instead of coming out with your strange conspiracy theories like an immature person with Down syndrome. This way, your mom won't be so heartbroken;(

[時雨！]

Originally posted by Craftfaster:

So after the BR changes, all the phantoms and migs went up...except the j7e? why?! It's capable of out dog fighting a f16, and you pit it against j35s, f8e's, f4's, aj37s, and mig 21s!?
What the heck gaijin? You say "we care about balancing the game" but then you do crap like this and expect us to be happy?! Please up the j7E to atleast 11.7. it makes 0 sense being at 11.0

Putting a plane without radar and without all-aspect infrared missiles at 11.7, I can only suggest you play more games and wish you good mental health;(

[冰糖淀粉肠]

Originally posted by Craftfaster:

Originally posted by Dog Barf:

You're not suppose to win a 1v2 against two 11.0 planes while in your 10.3 paper plane. Avoid dog fighting the J7E because it will kick your ass no matter what. Other 11.0 aircraft in your team should be dealing with them and you can either engage the J7E while it's distracted or try to head-on it, just DO NOT stay there to dog fight it, if you miss, just keep flying away and re-engage if you can get a good angle. If you get caught in a 1v1 by a J7E and can't escape, you die, move on to the next match. I do think the J7E should be moved up to 11.3.

Okay, so we agree that it shouldn't be 11.0, that's good. but I think it should be AT LEAST, BARE MINIMUM 11.7. preferably 12.0 or 12.3 since it can basically dog fight f16s and win.
10.3-10.7 can and should be able to handle itself against 11.0s because otherwise that would be completely unfair. Also, you say that you shouldn't dogfight the j7e, but what else are you supposed to do what it also outruns you!? the balancing since the br changes has been REALLY screwed up, and is forcing a lot of planes like the aj37, f4c, f5c, a-10, f4f to fight stuff that they cannot handle at all. like just J out if you see a uptier. that's stupid!

如果您认为以盘旋格斗能力为权重分级的话，MK1应该与su27sm，f16c，jas39在同一个房间，因为f16的盘旋能力全面低于所有双层翼早期战斗机，只是您单独的仇恨中国，一身臭蛆烂肉喜欢歧视一个民族，一个国家，认为他应该落后于你们，事实上，五个常任理事国之中中国武装力量是最强大的。我做一个假设：喜欢带有歧视眼光的父母应该在地狱，血缘亲人凑不出1个，天生的孤儿（这是一个假设）。如果您不是这种人，请收回您的歧视眼光，撤回您奇怪的阴谋论。
If I may make an assumption (and if you are not one of those people), please refrain from your discriminatory gaze and withdraw your strange conspiracy theories.

If we were to rate aircraft based solely on their aerial combat maneuverability, the MK1 would belong in the same room as the Su27SM, F16C, and JAS39, as the F16's aerial combat maneuverability is inferior to that of all early twin-wing fighters, including the MK1. It's just that you have a singular hatred for China, a pestilent carcass filled with prejudice and discrimination, thinking that they should be behind you. In fact, among the five permanent members of the UN Security Council, the Chinese armed forces are the strongest.

I'll make a hypothetical assumption: parents with discriminatory attitudes should be in hell, with no blood relatives to speak of, and born as an orphan (inheriting the stench of their parents' prejudice).

[I AM THE LAW!]

Originally posted by Vriz:

Originally posted by Craftfaster:

Besides, your solution for "beating" the j7e does not work in real battles. you're not gonna win by running away from a j7e in a j35 or j37, you might survive 1, but you will not survive 4. again, try playing the BR range and see how bad it is as US or sweden.

Just letting you know, you can definitely outrun the J7E in the J35s and J37s, the J7E's wings wishes it sees 1400km/h and not rip itself apart

now the missiles are a different story

That's in a perfect situation. if you have turned AT ALL a minute before seeing a j7, you're screwed.
Just cause the j37s/35s TOP speed is faster than the j7e, doesn't mean you can out run him.
Also out running doesn't mean crap, so...you run away...then what? you can't turn around, because if you do you definitely won't be able to outrun him. if you're teams busy/dead, you're just plain screwed.
I get the feeling you don't play or haven't played the j37/35 recently, give it a try. you'll see what I mean.

[✿Sqüirrel✿]

I play j35s, mig-21s, and aj37s all the time...have no issue with the plane you are talking about....I agree with the skill issue comments presented by other players.

[shipdesignerdude]

It could very reasonably go up, it's a very strong airframe with strong missiles and didn't move at all with the BR changes.

It can't see the F-14 anymore, which was the main scourge of it. Neither the F-16, which is 2.0 above the J-7E.

It was a solid plane before the patch, anything with a better fm got moved up outside of being able to fight the J-7E. Easily the best plane in the game for it's matchmaker par maybe the F-14A.