Obligatory A-10 Warthog post

[177013 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)]

With the way I've seen people play AA, the A-10 has a place in this game. The argument that it would be shredded by AA, is a moot point because 1. every other jets get shredded just as easily, 2. people suck at AA, the only time I see AA get a kill on a jet is when they have radar and rockets. And plus recently, Mike on an official stream said "There's going to be a very very very very very sought after premium... It's going to sell like hotcakes." - quoted from Ash's video "Massive War Thunder News". So I wholeheartedly think that the next update will introduce some form of an A-10. Also, going by update release trends, I think that the next big update is in March.

[ulzgoroth]

...Note that the A-10 would certainly be at a BR where it would always face radar and AAM SPAA, not WWII-era pure optical junk.

But I see no reason it shouldn't be added when the game pushes forward to the appropriate time point. I suspect it won't be good in air battles but in ground RB it might be excellent.

[𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner]

To be fair, every update is people saying "Wow, we're for sure getting the A-10, F14, AC-130, etc. next update!" I do think these vehicles could fit in-game. But being realistic, especially getting closer to modern vehicles, they are going to be forced to create new BRs high enough that they will not be able to meet vehicles in ground or naval outside of custom battles.

Even if we do severely decompress ground/naval, we really gotta ask... Is it worth having these modern aircraft with these massive payloads, on the small already maps we have? If you don't incorporate "realistic" models, people will complain. And I don't see Gajin taking the necessary steps to balance them out at launch.

[177013 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ulzgoroth:

...Note that the A-10 would certainly be at a BR where it would always face radar and AAM SPAA, not WWII-era pure optical junk.

But I see no reason it shouldn't be added when the game pushes forward to the appropriate time point. I suspect it won't be good in air battles but in ground RB it might be excellent.

What I meant is that rockets are the main killer, and people the no rockets still suck with radar, my bad

[177013 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 『𝓢𝒾𝓃𝓃𝑒𝓇』:

To be fair, every update is people saying "Wow, we're for sure getting the A-10, F14, AC-130, etc. next update!" I do think these vehicles could fit in-game. But being realistic, especially getting closer to modern vehicles, they are going to be forced to create new BRs high enough that they will not be able to meet vehicles in ground or naval outside of custom battles.

Even if we do severely decompress ground/naval, we really gotta ask... Is it worth having these modern aircraft with these massive payloads, on the small already maps we have? If you don't incorporate "realistic" models, people will complain. And I don't see Gajin taking the necessary steps to balance them out at launch.

In a recent interview with a dev from Gaijin, they said they were adding Generation 4 jets. And plus we all know gaijin likes money instead of fixing their game first

[jr83]

You can't add things like the Warthog or the Frogfoot until there's designated SEAD aircraft and jamming capability to back them up/clear the way. It would just be a field day for SAMs.

[ulzgoroth]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από jr83:

You can't add things like the Warthog or the Frogfoot until there's designated SEAD aircraft and jamming capability to back them up/clear the way. It would just be a field day for SAMs.

Sure you can. Surviving air defense remains entirely the problem of the person it's being aimed at. Which it would even if they did add mechanics for that since nobody would ever fly SEAD except in the sense of shooting at enemy SPAA, which we already have.

Also, really proper SEAD is mostly about larger radar-guided SAM systems which aren't in the game and are I rather don't expect to see anytime soon.

[nirvana_sth]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 177013 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°):

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 『𝓢𝒾𝓃𝓃𝑒𝓇』:

To be fair, every update is people saying "Wow, we're for sure getting the A-10, F14, AC-130, etc. next update!" I do think these vehicles could fit in-game. But being realistic, especially getting closer to modern vehicles, they are going to be forced to create new BRs high enough that they will not be able to meet vehicles in ground or naval outside of custom battles.

Even if we do severely decompress ground/naval, we really gotta ask... Is it worth having these modern aircraft with these massive payloads, on the small already maps we have? If you don't incorporate "realistic" models, people will complain. And I don't see Gajin taking the necessary steps to balance them out at launch.

In a recent interview with a dev from Gaijin, they said they were adding Generation 4 jets. And plus we all know gaijin likes money instead of fixing their game first

hmmm, im not against adding A-10, but it seems its a sub-sonic plane and im not too sure if it could do well.
if they want to add it to BR 11.0, even the helis got proper all-aspect anti-air missiles.
but hey im all in for 4th gen planes >_<

[jr83]

A-10 has no place. Its compartively low speed would require it to be too low in BR for its armament. With modern and near modern aircraft it will be a slow, easy target and with older jets it will be an unstoppable killing machine. It can not be balanced in the WT we currently have, and just because you may be a major fan of the thing doesn't change that. No amount of mental gymnastics or "but I like it so it should be added" will change that.

[ulzgoroth]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από jr83:

A-10 has no place. Its compartively low speed would require it to be too low in BR for its armament. With modern and near modern aircraft it will be a slow, easy target and with older jets it will be an unstoppable killing machine. It can not be balanced in the WT we currently have, and just because you may be a major fan of the thing doesn't change that. No amount of mental gymnastics or "but I like it so it should be added" will change that.

I mean, not if you insist on the weird delusion that it can't share a BR with much faster aircraft. Even though throughout the tech tree there are such differences.

There are already subsonic ground attack planes at high BRs. Why can't there be more?

[jr83]

I said my piece. I have nothing further to say. My opinion won't change.

[177013 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από jr83:

I said my piece. I have nothing further to say. My opinion won't change.

What are you gonna do when they add the A-10? Cry about it?

[jr83]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 177013 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°):

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από jr83:

I said my piece. I have nothing further to say. My opinion won't change.

What are you gonna do when they add the A-10? Cry about it?

Very mature dude. Well done.

Now, sarcastically reply "thanks" to prove to the forum you "won." Because that's original and totally not typical child crap.

[177013 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από jr83:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 177013 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°):

What are you gonna do when they add the A-10? Cry about it?

Very mature dude. Well done.

Now, sarcastically reply "thanks" to prove to the forum you "won." Because that's original and totally not typical child crap.

:)

[FizzyElf]

Considering the ITP-1m and many of the premium lend lease.captured prop planes are still used in top tier matches and often get multiple kills (many of those kills being radar cannon and missile SPAA's), I think the A-10 will do just fine in the game. I just had a match where a captured premium, the chinese Ki, managed to kill 2 9.0+ SPAA's and survive fighting a tunguska and manged to kill a F-4E (or whatever the squadron F-4 is called) before flying off to the right of the map and going AFK.

I personally like to, and often do, fly rank 1 planes in top tier and do quite well in them (HE-112's, the Yak 2 Kabb, early bombers, the swedish B-17's, etc, I really want to try something larger like the BV-238 but I keep getting team killed). The biggest things are the map and the skill of the pilot, a lot of maps are set up in a way where SPAA's will never be able to shoot you down if they sit and stay in spawn (which is where most hang out) and even on the more open maps its pretty easy to dodge their cannon fire with early WW2 and interwar prop planes and its a joke in most jets, the A-10 would sit somewhere in the middle, sure on some maps missile SPAA's would be a problem but on others they would be insanely easy to avoid until you were ready to start ground pounding and while not the most manueverable you could still dodge cannon SPAA's though it would get harder depending on the specific vehicle and range, I managed to escape death from an M163 and Type 87 (japanese Gepard) in my He 219 for example while at 500m-1km on Vietnam but its really a better idea to kill the SPAA's first then start shooting other tanks instead of taking a chance with fast firing AA guns, which is generally what I think the A-10 should do. They should flank around the map and come in behind the enemy spawn and then kill as many SPAA's as possible before pulling up and then diving down on enemy tanks firing quick devastating bursts much like the ITP or 219 already do in game, the idea being to disrupt the enemy anti air so that other planes can fly around uncontested and draw as much anger and hatred to yourself as possible, that way the enemy will spawn new SPAA's or planes to kill you and while they are distracted your teammates on the ground can wipe out the handful of tanks you missed and cap the bases, which is again something that I do in matches and it works quite well as the enemy is far to focused on getting a revenge kill to notice that your little ploy is leading to them losing the match (the most effective, though slowest, method is to kill the enemy via engine fires that way they are stuck on the ground getting angrier unable to do anything but become more enrage).

However making the A-10 a premium... I think that would just go slightly better than the harrier, the players who are new to jets won't crash as often but they would still have a hard time getting kills and an even harder time figuring out high G turns to try and avoid enemy SPAA fire, so while I do see the A-10 being a decently useful aircraft I don't see it actually being flown properly or having any real success, maybe 1 kill for every 2 or 3 deaths for most players.

[Illusionyary]

The difference between jets and the A-10 is that the A-10 isn't a jet and barely manages 500kmh loaded, at a BR with radar guided missile SPAA.

It's either gonna be amazing or suck hard depending what BR its given and what's up in a match. Any sort of enemy air power will disintegrate it, a Yak prop fighter is enough.