Lightning F.53 F.6 Need buffs

[Woundstring]

The Lightings need the Red Tops fixed, the Flares situatio on uptiers against R4R, R60, Aim 9L and Aim D is really not fun.

The fact I can't turn to compete against anything alse, but only go fast in a straight line, is frustrating...my lack of skill is def a part, but it's clearly a massive imbalance if I cant consistently compete at down tiers balanced and up-tiers. I get good games but largely it's on slowed vehicles. I heard that Red Tops 'used to be good'...with the uptiers against radar missiles or stronger heats, surely a few subtle balancing buffs are needed?

[K]

Oh it's a terrible plane, it's in one of those spots where at 9.0 it'll be op as ♥♥♥♥ in a down tier though at it's own BR it's kinda bad any higher it's awful.

[Woundstring]

Originally posted by GODZW33D:

Oh it's a terrible plane, it's in one of those spots where at 9.0 it'll be op as ♥♥♥♥ in a down tier though at it's own BR it's kinda bad any higher it's awful.

I do get occasional good games, last one was passible, but yeah, even on downs, F86 is catching up and outgunning me...though that is both my lack of gun skill and what ever cool things that plane has going on XD They need to improve the nose turn or something.

[Inverted_Rouge]

Lightnings have been kinda bad ever since they were added, idk what Gajin were thinking adding a premium one. None of the British missiles work they way they should but it doesn't seem like that's going to be fixed.

[Illusionyary]

It just doesn't fit the meta of the game and the kit it has isn't great. The Red Tops work fine but they're a heavy missile with a lot of drag so you have to know when and where to utilise them.

The Lightning can actually pull pretty hard at certain speeds, I've got into a dogfight with an experienced Lightning pilot in my MiG-21S and it was scary how hard that thing can actually pull.

The main issue I have with the Lightning is the limited range of the guns. The F-104 works because it can just spray you down with its vulcan, the ADENs can't do that.

[Woundstring]

Originally posted by Illusionyary:

It just doesn't fit the meta of the game and the kit it has isn't great. The Red Tops work fine but they're a heavy missile with a lot of drag so you have to know when and where to utilise them.

The Lightning can actually pull pretty hard at certain speeds, I've got into a dogfight with an experienced Lightning pilot in my MiG-21S and it was scary how hard that thing can actually pull.

The main issue I have with the Lightning is the limited range of the guns. The F-104/Mig21 works because it can just spray you down with its vulcan, the ADENs can't do that.

I think between 600-below 700mph it turns horizontally not bad...ish with the Afterburner off-on, there's a flip of the tail...but I never get on enemy...vertically, I can out pull the F104 at around 0.60-0.80 to escape...but it's not getting on top of anyone unless they really mess up.

I'm def not a fantastic pilot, so I'm trying to improve on that, but you are all right about it not being fantastic...they could minor buff a few things to make it more competitive if they wanted to...but they don't...really frustrating.

[Illusionyary]

Originally posted by Woundstring:

Originally posted by Illusionyary:

It just doesn't fit the meta of the game and the kit it has isn't great. The Red Tops work fine but they're a heavy missile with a lot of drag so you have to know when and where to utilise them.

The Lightning can actually pull pretty hard at certain speeds, I've got into a dogfight with an experienced Lightning pilot in my MiG-21S and it was scary how hard that thing can actually pull.

The main issue I have with the Lightning is the limited range of the guns. The F-104/Mig21 works because it can just spray you down with its vulcan, the ADENs can't do that.

I think between 600-below 700mph it turns horizontally not bad...ish with the Afterburner off-on, there's a flip of the tail...but I never get on enemy...vertically, I can out pull the F104 at around 0.60-0.80 to escape...but it's not getting on top of anyone unless they really mess up.

I'm def not a fantastic pilot, so I'm trying to improve on that, but you are all right about it not being fantastic...they could minor buff a few things to make it more competitive if they wanted to...but they don't...really frustrating.

You've got to remember that the Lightning was designed as a high altitude bomber interceptor, so it's never going to be as nimble as a dedicated fighter aircraft. I don't think they can really do anything if its flight model is accurate (which I believe it is). Currently the ~9.0 range is horrible though as the 10.0 F8U is absolutely clubbing lobbies.

[Pawjob_Johnson]

The plane is not bad. However the flight performance is still disappointing compared to real life examples.

[Eftwyrd]

If you can manage in sim it uses fixed brackets, ie you know what br range you are getting into up front and it rotates, just play it on the days the 8.7-9.7 bracket is available and you are in a guaranteed down tier all day where it does pretty well

[Woundstring]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

If you can manage in sim it uses fixed brackets, ie you know what br range you are getting into up front and it rotates, just play it on the days the 8.7-9.7 bracket is available and you are in a guaranteed down tier all day where it does pretty well

I keep wanting to try sim, but no controls setup for my controller...just an xbox and DS5. Tried and completed a really terrible mouse and keyboard play and although I got a bomb drop and base return, it was terrible on M&KB XD