Why did Gaijin move the BTR-ZD to 6.0?

[ArrowViper]

USSR now lacks competent SPAA at the 5.3 - 5.7 range. BTR-ZD is slightly better than the ZSD63 which itself is at 5.0, and that has it's crew shielded from light MG fire.
That way it's a good choice to move the BTR-ZD down to 5.3 so that USSR has a competent SPAA back to combat CAS spam of 109s and 190s.
Think Gaijin, what's the reason for SPAA that is good only against air targets being so high up in BR? Aircraft at 5.3 are fast and agile, so SPAA should be able to counter that.

[Toblm]

ArrowViper eredeti hozzászólása:

Toblm eredeti hozzászólása:

BTR-152D is perfectly viable.

But please keep the "USSR suffers" narrative up. Its a refreshingly amusing.

No, the BTR-152D isn't viable. Compared to all of the opposition from other nations its laughable. It's not a bad SPAA but it's not an SPAA worthy of use at 5.7.

That, sounds like a skill issue.

[Black_Fox]

ArrowViper eredeti hozzászólása:

Do all SPAA need to be moved up because gaijin refuses to limit AP belts for them?

Accurate description of how balancing SPAA in War Thunder works

[Wandering Flare]

Black_Fox eredeti hozzászólása:

ArrowViper eredeti hozzászólása:

Do all SPAA need to be moved up because gaijin refuses to limit AP belts for them?

Accurate description of how balancing SPAA in War Thundet works

Every other SPAA getting an AP belt: "Yay!"
OTOMATIC: "♥♥♥♥."

[ArrowViper]

Toblm eredeti hozzászólása:

ArrowViper eredeti hozzászólása:

No, the BTR-152D isn't viable. Compared to all of the opposition from other nations its laughable. It's not a bad SPAA but it's not an SPAA worthy of use at 5.7.

That, sounds like a skill issue.

Already said Skill Issue doesn't work here as i'm a very good player. Stop with ''skill issue'' when you run out of arguments. ''Skill issue'' is last resort of people that have actual SKILL ISSUE.

[ArrowViper]

Wandering Flare eredeti hozzászólása:

Black_Fox eredeti hozzászólása:

Accurate description of how balancing SPAA in War Thundet works

Every other SPAA getting an AP belt: "Yay!"
OTOMATIC: "♥♥♥♥."

OTOMATIC is a tale of Gaijin balancing things through statistics alone...much like the BTR-ZD actually.

[Toblm]

ArrowViper eredeti hozzászólása:

Toblm eredeti hozzászólása:

That, sounds like a skill issue.

Already said Skill Issue doesn't work here as i'm a very good player. Stop with ''skill issue'' when you run out of arguments. ''Skill issue'' is last resort of people that have actual SKILL ISSUE.

I have zero issue with the BTR-152D at its BR and above. You do, clearly. That's a skill issue.

USSR Suffers!

[Wandering Flare]

ArrowViper eredeti hozzászólása:

Wandering Flare eredeti hozzászólása:

Every other SPAA getting an AP belt: "Yay!"
OTOMATIC: "♥♥♥♥."

OTOMATIC is a tale of Gaijin balancing things through statistics alone...much like the BTR-ZD actually.

Not really, the thing has a terrible record but hey, it's got an APFSDS belt, can't move it down.

[ArrowViper]

Toblm eredeti hozzászólása:

ArrowViper eredeti hozzászólása:

Already said Skill Issue doesn't work here as i'm a very good player. Stop with ''skill issue'' when you run out of arguments. ''Skill issue'' is last resort of people that have actual SKILL ISSUE.

I have zero issue with the BTR-152D at its BR and above. You do, clearly. That's a skill issue.

USSR Suffers!

Stop behaving like a clown. You ignored all facts presented and just resorted to using ''skill issue''. BTR-152D simply doesn't belong to be used at 5.7 and i'm not the only one having a problem with this. Like said, other nations have similar SPAA at lower BRs. France with the TPK for example which i very much enjoy, and that's 5.7.

[ArrowViper]

Wandering Flare eredeti hozzászólása:

ArrowViper eredeti hozzászólása:

OTOMATIC is a tale of Gaijin balancing things through statistics alone...much like the BTR-ZD actually.

Not really, the thing has a terrible record but hey, it's got an APFSDS belt, can't move it down.

The thing is that Italy players were quite good with it. From what i remember it was quite broken for some time...however they moved it up and up and then just limited the AP rounds. I'll say remove the limit and make it go down slightly in BR, since 2S38 is 10.0 i would say it can be 10.3.

[Toblm]

ArrowViper eredeti hozzászólása:

Toblm eredeti hozzászólása:

I have zero issue with the BTR-152D at its BR and above. You do, clearly. That's a skill issue.

USSR Suffers!

Stop behaving like a clown. You ignored all facts presented and just resorted to using ''skill issue''. BTR-152D simply doesn't belong to be used at 5.7 and i'm not the only one having a problem with this. Like said, other nations have similar SPAA at lower BRs. France with the TPK for example which i very much enjoy, and that's 5.7.

I've ignored nothing.
The BTR-152D is a solid SPAA platform that preforms well.
The BTR-ZD over preformed below 6.0 and was moved up accordingly.

Furthermore the TPK is not a good SPAA. Too bouncy.

[Druckform | INSOMNIAC 3D]

ArrowViper eredeti hozzászólása:

biomike eredeti hozzászólása:

1st they are not 50cals but 14.5mm
2nd US players make do so so can you, all you need to do is . . . get gud
1) 14.5 is basically the same damage as 12.7
2) US players making do isn't an argument when other have viable SPAA at said BR, get gud doesn't work here. (i play SPAA often, just for fun)


I didnt say nobody else should, im pointing out that you have other options that work just fine and you should learn how to use them

4x 14.5 doesn't work ''just as fine'' as pair of 23mm cannons firing API-T, i don't need to learn how to use them since i'm very good player, probably better than you.

>says hes a very good player
>complains the nation with the best spaa in all tiers in the game doesn't have amazing spaa for one single BR
>hisfacewhen

[Miles "Tails" Prower]

I have sub-l-ll until 8.3 don't wanna hear it

[biomike]

ArrowViper eredeti hozzászólása:

Toblm eredeti hozzászólása:

BTR-152D is perfectly viable.

But please keep the "USSR suffers" narrative up. Its a refreshingly amusing.

No, the BTR-152D isn't viable. Compared to all of the opposition from other nations its laughable. It's not a bad SPAA but it's not an SPAA worthy of use at 5.7. And not once i said anything ''USSR suffers'' narrative-like, you are just making ♥♥♥♥ up.

opposition of other nations? Like what, go on and tell us what Japan, USA, Great Britain and Sweden have that are better SPAA. Once again i will point out that 4 50cals is viable for USA so 4 14.5mm should be fine for USSR, if you cant make it work thats on you

[Bravo]

ArrowViper eredeti hozzászólása:

Black_Fox eredeti hozzászólása:

And yet you felt the need to complain that a better system got moved up in BR and you have to use an inferior on despite you "got gud"

We have a thing called ''balance''. There was no reason to move it up other than ''statistics'', Gaijin doesn't care there's effective SPAA missing from a big lineup. 5.7 was ideal for the BTR-ZD since USSR players actually got a good SPAA at that BR to defend against CAS spam that plagues that BR. Everyone agrees that 4x .50cal to defend against 5.7 - 6.7 aircraft is ridiculous.

Basically anything other than 20mm or 155mm sucks at the 6.0 range.

That my primary SPAA is an artillery piece on my American line-up says an awful lot about Gaijin's SPAA balancing.

EDIT: Sorry, forgot the German intermediate calibres exist - theirs is also good.

[Blamite Delight]

Black_Fox eredeti hozzászólása:

ArrowViper eredeti hozzászólása:

4x 14.5 doesn't work ''just as fine'' as pair of 23mm cannons firing API-T, i don't need to learn how to use them since i'm very good player, probably better than you.

And yet you felt the need to complain that a better system got moved up in BR and you have to use an inferior on despite you "got gud"

why deal with an inferior system when you can use a perfectly good one. Maybe you need to "get smart"