American SPAA problem

[UncleSteve]

America has an SPAA problem that needs to be fixed. From 4.0 to 7.7 you don't get any SPAA of any kind and when you get to 7.7 you don't get anything until 9.0. The biggest issue is the 7.7-9.0 gap. The first "modern" SPAA america gets is the m163, its poor track radar that'll only track if the conditions are right and under a mile with huge drop off with the 20 mils makes it a real pain to kill any aircraft that's too fast. And thats your only option of SPAA from 7.7 to 9.0.
Basically, should either Gaijin add an 8.3 SPAA that's on par with Gepards, Chieftain Marksman, ItPsV Leopards, etc.? Or move those vehicles up in BR due to their superior Radars and gun performance?

[Miles "Tails" Prower]

Originally posted by UncleSteve:

America has an SPAA problem that needs to be fixed. From 4.0 to 7.7 you don't get any SPAA of any kind and when you get to 7.7 you don't get anything until 9.0. The biggest issue is the 7.7-9.0 gap. The first "modern" SPAA america gets is the m163, its poor track radar that'll only track if the conditions are right and under a mile with huge drop off with the 20 mils makes it a real pain to kill any aircraft that's too fast. And thats your only option of SPAA from 7.7 to 9.0.
Basically, should either Gaijin add an 8.3 SPAA that's on par with Gepards, Chieftain Marksman, ItPsV Leopards, etc.? Or move those vehicles up in BR due to their superior Radars and gun performance?

Use the M109 flak shell

[Eldgrim - Cole 505]

Originally posted by Miles "Tails" Prower:

Use the M109 flak shell

Which isnt an spaa.

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by Eldgrim - Cole 505:

Originally posted by Miles "Tails" Prower:

Use the M109 flak shell

Which isnt an spaa.

Neither are the Type 75 and 99 SPG´s.
Yet both are used as pseudo SPAA`s with HE- VT rounds since Japan has no dedicated SPAA between SUB I-II at 5.3 and Type 87 at 8.3.

[Eldgrim - Cole 505]

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

Originally posted by Eldgrim - Cole 505:

Which isnt an spaa.

Neither are the Type 75 and 99 SPG´s.
Yet both are used as pseudo SPAA`s with HE- VT rounds since Japan has no dedicated SPAA between SUB I-II at 5.3 and Type 87 at 8.3.

It doesnt matter what they are used for, they are not spaa. They are used in that role because the trees lacks spaa.

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Eldgrim - Cole 505:

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

Neither are the Type 75 and 99 SPG´s.
Yet both are used as pseudo SPAA`s with HE- VT rounds since Japan has no dedicated SPAA between SUB I-II at 5.3 and Type 87 at 8.3.

It doesnt matter what they are used for, they are not spaa. They are used in that role because the trees lacks spaa.

They are used in that role because they have massive proximity fused shells mate… what a vehicle is labeled as is semantics, there are actual anti air weapons listed as tank destroyers in game too

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

They are used in that role because they have massive proximity fused shells mate… what a vehicle is labeled as is semantics, there are actual anti air weapons listed as tank destroyers in game too

Or light vehicles listed as SPAA like the AMX-10P with it´s subpar +50° gun elevation.

[MaDeuce]

I don't know if it's an intended design philosophy or convenient incompetence, but I do like the fact that some tech trees have holes at different ranks. It breaks up the monotony. For U.S. and Russia I use fighter planes to combat enemy air at those ranks.

The only real problem I have with that concept is top tier, which the Pantsir is not only the best AA, but it damn near completely shuts down all other nation's alternate options in dealing with air (specifically the long range Russian missiles). So a nation like the U.S., which has mediocre MBTs, decent AA, and great air power is essentially left reliant on its weakest weakness every match that Russia isn't on the team.

The worst thing they could do in my opinion is strive to balance the game in a way that every nation can do everything at every rank.

[Miles "Tails" Prower]

Originally posted by Eldgrim - Cole 505:

Originally posted by Miles "Tails" Prower:

Use the M109 flak shell

Which isnt an spaa.

I'm giving an option that works well it's your fault you won't use it

[Chaoslink]

There are no vehicles that existed which would fill this gap. Of any self propelled anti air USA ever fielded, basically all of them are side grades to what we already have and would fit at similar BRs. USA didn’t really need anti air vehicles much as most of the war they had air superiority and could just use their own aircraft for anti air.

[Miles "Tails" Prower]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

There are no vehicles that existed which would fill this gap. Of any self propelled anti air USA ever fielded, basically all of them are side grades to what we already have and would fit at similar BRs. USA didn’t really need anti air vehicles much as most of the war they had air superiority and could just use their own aircraft for anti air.

Or they had extremely long range Missile systems which wouldn't fit into the game how it is

[MaDeuce]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

There are no vehicles that existed which would fill this gap. Of any self propelled anti air USA ever fielded, basically all of them are side grades to what we already have and would fit at similar BRs. USA didn’t really need anti air vehicles much as most of the war they had air superiority and could just use their own aircraft for anti air.

U.S. has fielded plenty of air defense systems, they just aren't all attached to a chassis with an engine. Just like the Patriot today, the doctrine was to set up an air defense, not drive around with it on your back.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by MaDeuce:

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

There are no vehicles that existed which would fill this gap. Of any self propelled anti air USA ever fielded, basically all of them are side grades to what we already have and would fit at similar BRs. USA didn’t really need anti air vehicles much as most of the war they had air superiority and could just use their own aircraft for anti air.

U.S. has fielded plenty of air defense systems, they just aren't all attached to a chassis with an engine. Just like the Patriot today, the doctrine was to set up an air defense, not drive around with it on your back.

Exactly. There was no need to have a vehicle mounted AA platform as most were just towed by trucks if they needed moving, otherwise they were static defenses. Basically means that there aren't vehicles to fill this gap without making stuff up or giving USA vehicles from other nations for the sake of doing it.

[Miles "Tails" Prower]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Originally posted by MaDeuce:

U.S. has fielded plenty of air defense systems, they just aren't all attached to a chassis with an engine. Just like the Patriot today, the doctrine was to set up an air defense, not drive around with it on your back.

Exactly. There was no need to have a vehicle mounted AA platform as most were just towed by trucks if they needed moving, otherwise they were static defenses. Basically means that there aren't vehicles to fill this gap without making stuff up or giving USA vehicles from other nations for the sake of doing it.

Also that the USA is mostly protecting small islands, embassies or the system has long enough range that there is no reason for it to move.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by Miles "Tails" Prower:

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Exactly. There was no need to have a vehicle mounted AA platform as most were just towed by trucks if they needed moving, otherwise they were static defenses. Basically means that there aren't vehicles to fill this gap without making stuff up or giving USA vehicles from other nations for the sake of doing it.

Also that the USA is mostly protecting small islands, embassies or the system has long enough range that there is no reason for it to move.

Yeah, its almost like these armies IRL aren't designing their vehicles and tools around War Thunder's game balance, no matter how many classified documents are leaked to make the game more accurate... How dare the US not design a 5.7 SPAA right?

[Miles "Tails" Prower]

I think the best you might get is a premium Chilean or Jordanian gepard. Also the Turkish korkut could work
Or the one polish thing that I forgot the name of that they didn't use