2S38 is the worst tank I've ever purchased

[chicks99]

Unpopular Opinion, but,
the 2S38 is overhyped garbage that youtubers blow up on how "OP" it is and we all eat it up.

Yea, no, after buying the 2S38 I can say with full certainty that it is terrible. My KDR in it is worse than my KDR with my Leopard 2A4 and even my XM-1 (GM).

Where do I even start on how bad it is...
Well

1) It's damn slow for a "LIGHT" tank. You'd expect a 20ish ton tank to be quite mobile especially at its high tier bracket, but it's literally less mobile than contemporary MBTs. The M1 ABRAMS somehow has MORE armor and BETTER mobility - whether it is reverse speed, (20 vs 37 km/h) or acceleration.

2) The 57mm cannon lacks post pen damage. Try and shoot the side of a M1128 with the cannon, it will go straight through without killing anything unless you get a direct hit on a crew or module. Meanwhile the enemy just aims center mass for the massive ammunition carousel in the 2s38.

3) The frontal survivability is worse than the side-on survivability. How?? How did Russian designers mess this up? Is everything backwards in Russia or something cause I thought frontal armor is supposed to be more effective. Well in this case, the bigger side target makes it so that the enemy has a higher chance to hit nothing.

4) If I learned any big lesson after wasting my GE on this "tank", it is that reload rate isn't as important as you may think. When you encounter the enemy, chances are that BOTH you and them have a round loaded in the breach already. Whoever shoots first wins... so they say. Who cares if you have a 0.5s reload if you're dead within the first shot exchange? A 120mm you're likely to face has a guaranteed better post-pen damage than the puny 57mm on this thing.

5) Terrible at tank duels. Sure it's versatile and can be a makeshift anti-helicopter SPAA, but if you encounter a tank and it's facing you, say your prayers. You have no armor, enemy MBT has armor. You have to aim for their weakpoint, they shoot your center mass. They shoot first because they don't have to aim.

6) It's a light tank. At high tier and top tier, barely anybody plays light tanks. Wanna know why? Light Tanks suck. Can't even take a hit. I can hear you saying "Don't get hit", blud go play 100 matches and don't get hit. I guarantee you that you won't last 3 matches without being hit so long as you don't go AFK in spawn.

7) It's literally a worse Abrams or Type 90. Yea you saw that right. The Abrams and Type 90 also have better mobility to boot. "Light Tank" my butt, it's just some fancy designation for "bootleg MBT". Abrams & T90 also have a very good reload rate relative to the enemies it faces, and it's a 120mm cannon, not the disappointment 57mm.

[Wandering Flare]

Originally posted by ibm quantum computer:

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

1.6 KD. Try again.

terrible player thank you for proving my point now go get farmed by some 2s38s. next please!

0.75 =/= 1.6, but thank you for proving why you think 2S38 is bad. Playing videogames is hard when you don't even know math.

I'll help you out here, your KD starting with 0 is not a good thing.

[French Cat]

Originally posted by Kebaben:

Originally posted by A Glorious Squash:

It’s basically a underrated gem.

I would call it more an overrated gem. People thinks its to good when infact after all the nerfs its nothing more than normal light tank.

Normal? It does everything, which isn’t normal, that’s M8 greyhound type normal.

[Kebaben]

Originally posted by A Glorious Squash:

Originally posted by Kebaben:

I would call it more an overrated gem. People thinks its to good when infact after all the nerfs its nothing more than normal light tank.

Normal? It does everything, which isn’t normal, that’s M8 greyhound type normal.

It cant do everything lol. The 2S38 is extremely situational with its low survivability. People that thinks you can go up against a tank in a 2s38 is delusional. All it takes is one shot center mass and its toast due to the crew compartment is in the front and the ammo rack is also placed right behind them. So for the people that feels the 2S38 is OP, its actually is a skill issue lol.

[Wandering Flare]

Originally posted by Kebaben:

Originally posted by A Glorious Squash:

Normal? It does everything, which isn’t normal, that’s M8 greyhound type normal.

It cant do everything lol. The 2S38 is extremely situational with its low survivability. People that thinks you can go up against a tank in a 2s38 is delusional. All it takes is one shot center mass and its toast due to the crew compartment is in the front and the ammo rack is also placed right behind them. So for the people that feels the 2S38 is OP, its actually is a skill issue lol.

Dunno, been surviving frontal shots in it pretty well. Usually, if the shell doesn't get deflected by volumetric, you'll just lose the fuel tank and one of the crew members, doesn't matter which because you can immediately retaliate and win the frontal fight.

[Kebaben]

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

Originally posted by Kebaben:

It cant do everything lol. The 2S38 is extremely situational with its low survivability. People that thinks you can go up against a tank in a 2s38 is delusional. All it takes is one shot center mass and its toast due to the crew compartment is in the front and the ammo rack is also placed right behind them. So for the people that feels the 2S38 is OP, its actually is a skill issue lol.

Dunno, been surviving frontal shots in it pretty well. Usually, if the shell doesn't get deflected by volumetric, you'll just lose the fuel tank and one of the crew members, doesn't matter which because you can immediately retaliate and win the frontal fight.

Sure the fuel tank can sometimes absorb a shell but that happens to all tanks so i dont realy see your point you are trying to make since any other tank would also be able to retaliate.

[Wandering Flare]

Originally posted by Kebaben:

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

Dunno, been surviving frontal shots in it pretty well. Usually, if the shell doesn't get deflected by volumetric, you'll just lose the fuel tank and one of the crew members, doesn't matter which because you can immediately retaliate and win the frontal fight.

Sure the fuel tank can sometimes absorb a shell but that happens to all tanks so i dont realy see your point you are trying to make since any other tank would also be able to retaliate.

Not talking about those cases, the thing basically doesn't spall so from the front, unless you get really lucky, you are picking which crew member to kill and all 3 of them are the wrong choice.

[Kebaben]

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

Originally posted by Kebaben:

Sure the fuel tank can sometimes absorb a shell but that happens to all tanks so i dont realy see your point you are trying to make since any other tank would also be able to retaliate.

Not talking about those cases, the thing basically doesn't spall so from the front, unless you get really lucky, you are picking which crew member to kill and all 3 of them are the wrong choice.

What are you talking about? Just because a round does not spall everytime does not make it an isolated case for just the 2S38. This happens to all tanks, do you know how many times i have shoot tanks and rounds dont spall? Countless times! Same with rounds bouncing all over the place and end up doing no damage at all.

[Wandering Flare]

Originally posted by Kebaben:

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

Not talking about those cases, the thing basically doesn't spall so from the front, unless you get really lucky, you are picking which crew member to kill and all 3 of them are the wrong choice.

What are you talking about? Just because a round does not spall everytime does not make it an isolated case for just the 2S38. This happens to all tanks, do you know how many times i have shoot tanks and rounds dont spall? Countless times! Same with rounds bouncing all over the place and end up doing no damage at all.

Not saying it's an isolated case, it's a lightly armored vehicle with crew positioned in a way that makes it more difficult to oneshot from the front than most. Try playing it and you'll be surprised how often you take a dart to the face and remain completely operation because you only lost 1 crew member.

[xCrossFaith]

Overhyped? Definetly
Garbage? Definetly not

It's a very good vehicle, it just doesn't make you win matches just by spawning it like some people around thinks

[Kebaben]

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

Originally posted by Kebaben:

What are you talking about? Just because a round does not spall everytime does not make it an isolated case for just the 2S38. This happens to all tanks, do you know how many times i have shoot tanks and rounds dont spall? Countless times! Same with rounds bouncing all over the place and end up doing no damage at all.

Not saying it's an isolated case, it's a lightly armored vehicle with crew positioned in a way that makes it more difficult to oneshot from the front than most. Try playing it and you'll be surprised how often you take a dart to the face and remain completely operation because you only lost 1 crew member.

So with your statement if you the player aim for a spot that will only kill one crewmember because the round did not spall as it should have and if it had spalled the tank would have been toast makes it OP and should be nerfed? Do you hear yourself? So we should nerf everything just because the game mechanic did not roll in your favor?

[Wandering Flare]

Originally posted by Kebaben:

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

Not saying it's an isolated case, it's a lightly armored vehicle with crew positioned in a way that makes it more difficult to oneshot from the front than most. Try playing it and you'll be surprised how often you take a dart to the face and remain completely operation because you only lost 1 crew member.

So with your statement if you the player aim for a spot that will only kill one crewmember because the round did not spall as it should have and if it had spalled the tank would have been toast makes it OP and should be nerfed? Do you hear yourself? So we should nerf everything just because the game mechanic did not roll in your favor?

Where exactly did I say it needs to be nerfed? It's been nerfed enough, it's still great if people play it properly and the OP is an example of a player that needs to git gud.

[Kebaben]

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

Originally posted by Kebaben:

So with your statement if you the player aim for a spot that will only kill one crewmember because the round did not spall as it should have and if it had spalled the tank would have been toast makes it OP and should be nerfed? Do you hear yourself? So we should nerf everything just because the game mechanic did not roll in your favor?

Where exactly did I say it needs to be nerfed? It's been nerfed enough, it's still great if people play it properly and the OP is an example of a player that needs to git gud.

Haha nah dont give me this BS you have argumented against the 2S38 and now when you cant continue the argument you shift your statement. When someone says something is OP it is often NOT always due to incompetence. Same as the TS who blames it sucking is also false. It is not a pay to win tank, in the start yes it was actually OP. But in its current stage it is not and im glad the devs have taken a stance that it should not move up in BR just because some of the player base dont know how to play against it and whines about it being OP.

[Wandering Flare]

Originally posted by Kebaben:

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

Where exactly did I say it needs to be nerfed? It's been nerfed enough, it's still great if people play it properly and the OP is an example of a player that needs to git gud.

Haha nah dont give me this BS you have argumented against the 2S38 and now when you cant continue the argument you shift your statement. When someone says something is OP it is often NOT always due to incompetence. Same as the TS who blames it sucking is also false. It is not a pay to win tank, in the start yes it was actually OP. But in its current stage it is not and im glad the devs have taken a stance that it should not move up in BR just because some of the player base dont know how to play against it and whines about it being OP.

Been arguing that it's not nearly as bad as OP states and does really well in capable hands for a multitude of reasons the entire time but okay.

[torindechoza]

Originally posted by ibm quantum computer:

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

1.6 KD. Try again.

terrible player thank you for proving my point now go get farmed by some 2s38s. next please!

1.6 is better than your record of 1.4

[Shyue Chou]

Originally posted by chicks99:

Originally posted by Shyue Chou:

May I know if you have you tried the wheeled WMA-301?

Nope, I don't plan on playing China any time soon cause its not meta.

Originally posted by Shyue Chou:

I don't have it but I doubt if I would have any skill with it.

Pls don't make the same mistake as me. I've learned the hard way that the 2S38 is no replacement for a competently designed MBT. Maybe as a premium backup the 2S38 can be used.

Thanks thanks. I got the WMA-301 and it was a mistake. When I hear of light tanks, I don't know, I am usually not good at them. It requires a certain kind of thinking.

I am alright with my CV90105 however, not great but alright.

However, I do like my T-72AV TURMS, I used that for researching the entire Russian which I completed some time back.