ww2 vs modern.

[Ironduke]

this really is becoming a problem and needs to be chanced or give us players some more option so we can opt into ww2 era only mode.

[Chaoslink]

Yeah, modern being a “natural” transition is just bad. They need to move that stuff into its own mode/tech tree/game entirely so mechanics can be made for them specifically.

[RAT-64]

I think this is a good idea. after all more tanks will be added in the future.

[50Fathoms]

Originally posted by Ironduke:

this really is becoming a problem and needs to be chanced or give us players some more option so we can opt into ww2 era only mode.

I would really like the matchmaking to be based on timeline rather than BR. But that would change the game too much and probably drive away too many people who prefer it more arcade-like.

But I also support idea of entirely separating the modern stuff. Like e.g. a WW2 only mode or else. This would allow numerous of improvements for all eras.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by Fifty Fathoms:

Originally posted by Ironduke:

this really is becoming a problem and needs to be chanced or give us players some more option so we can opt into ww2 era only mode.

I would really like the matchmaking to be based on timeline rather than BR. But that would change the game too much and probably drive away too many people who prefer it more arcade-like.

But I also support idea of entirely separating the modern stuff. Like e.g. a WW2 only mode or else. This would allow numerous of improvements for all eras.

The BR system could stay as is honestly. They just need to separate the modern stuff from the WWII stuff. The modern stuff might even be a lower BR than the WWII stuff and that’s fine. I think more players would enjoy playing their heavies without HEATFS and ATGMs getting in the way.

[50Fathoms]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Originally posted by Fifty Fathoms:

I would really like the matchmaking to be based on timeline rather than BR. But that would change the game too much and probably drive away too many people who prefer it more arcade-like.

But I also support idea of entirely separating the modern stuff. Like e.g. a WW2 only mode or else. This would allow numerous of improvements for all eras.

The BR system could stay as is honestly. They just need to separate the modern stuff from the WWII stuff. The modern stuff might even be a lower BR than the WWII stuff and that’s fine. I think more players would enjoy playing their heavies without HEATFS and ATGMs getting in the way.

This could be archived with a simple switch. In its current state, the game is too bloated at certain BRs and brings together too many players who have a different approach. With that kind of separation the game could become more attractive for everyone.

[Pec]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Originally posted by Fifty Fathoms:

I would really like the matchmaking to be based on timeline rather than BR. But that would change the game too much and probably drive away too many people who prefer it more arcade-like.

But I also support idea of entirely separating the modern stuff. Like e.g. a WW2 only mode or else. This would allow numerous of improvements for all eras.

The BR system could stay as is honestly. They just need to separate the modern stuff from the WWII stuff. The modern stuff might even be a lower BR than the WWII stuff and that’s fine. I think more players would enjoy playing their heavies without HEATFS and ATGMs getting in the way.

With how badly aphe over performs those ww2 tanks oftern have better firepower then the modern stuff also people seriously overestimate how far apart time line wise those vehicles are to the ww2 stuff eg the fully stabilised centurion mk3 is just 3 years from the tiger 2 h the is3 and is7 is only 2 and 3 years respectively so its not a stretch to say those are the vehicles they should "historically fight" since often those heavy tanks only just made it in towards the end of the war

[mogami_99]

There are WW2 vehicles that saw active service till 2018. Some are still in service. PzIV were in combat in 1973

[Warlock]

If a small country with a terrible economy started building WW1 biplanes again, I guess we could say there are WW1 vehicles in active service in 2024, therefore WW1 biplanes are "modern era"

Yes, BR compression is a problem.
We end up with whole BR swaths of awesome later WW2 vehicles that just end up in these stupid, time-warp matches getting curb stomped by vastly superior technology.

But, the fact is that some players (hard to say % wise) prefer the goofy-ass compression. So, trying to argue to take away something and replace it with what you want is an uphill battle for ??? what reason? Who am I to argue against their fun?

As opposed to asking to add something - better designed WW2 matches -

Then the problem comes back to Gaijin's willingness and creative ability to take something like that on.

[mogami_99]

Originally posted by Tandy:

If a small country with a terrible economy started building WW1 biplanes again, I guess we could say there are WW1 vehicles in active service in 2024, therefore WW1 biplanes are "modern era"

Yes, BR compression is a problem.
We end up with whole BR swaths of awesome later WW2 vehicles that just end up in these stupid, time-warp matches getting curb stomped by vastly superior technology.

But, the fact is that some players (hard to say % wise) prefer the goofy-ass compression. So, trying to argue to take away something and replace it with what you want is an uphill battle for ??? what reason? Who am I to argue against their fun?

As opposed to asking to add something - better designed WW2 matches -

Then the problem comes back to Gaijin's willingness and creative ability to take something like that on.

While not going all the way back to WWI bi planes there are plenty of good reasons for building prop planes based on WW2 designs. If the opponent has nothing then WW2 prop designs might be all you need.

[Cop Unit 12]

To those who want a cold war and ww2 vehicle separation I'll give you 5 vehicles and you figure out how they fit.

IS3 (never saw combat in ww2)
T32 (designed just before the war ended built after the war)
ASU 57 (build 1950 and later, has not HEATFS, APDS or APDSFS)
M51 Israeli (sherman with a big gun)
M36B1 (post war modfication of the M36 and it gets heatfs but still suffers from all the problems of the M36)

[mogami_99]

Originally posted by Cop Unit 12:

To those who want a cold war and ww2 vehicle separation I'll give you 5 vehicles and you figure out how they fit.

IS3 (never saw combat in ww2)
T32 (designed just before the war ended built after the war)
ASU 57 (build 1950 and later, has not HEATFS, APDS or APDSFS)
M51 Israeli (sherman with a big gun)
M36B1 (post war modfication of the M36 and it gets heatfs but still suffers from all the problems of the M36)

There is a reason WT does not use year introduced for anything but instead uses capability.
After WW2 vehicles did not have to always be as capable as vehicles used in WW2
Why build tanks that could fight Tigers when there were no Tigers to fight?

[biomike]

Originally posted by Cop Unit 12:

To those who want a cold war and ww2 vehicle separation I'll give you 5 vehicles and you figure out how they fit.

IS3 (never saw combat in ww2)
T32 (designed just before the war ended built after the war)
ASU 57 (build 1950 and later, has not HEATFS, APDS or APDSFS)
M51 Israeli (sherman with a big gun)
M36B1 (post war modfication of the M36 and it gets heatfs but still suffers from all the problems of the M36)

The funny thing is you could just list off a bunch of french tanks and you would get that.
Like for example AMX-13 (FL-11) was made in 1952 and it has the same 75mm found on the Sherman, if things went by year or era it would be completely out classed

[shipdesignerdude]

Heavy tank players the moment they can't just auto-bounce every round and press W the whole match:

Sweden's pretty much screwed by this logic anyways.

[Wasp]

Originally posted by mogami_99:

There are WW2 vehicles that saw active service till 2018. Some are still in service. PzIV were in combat in 1973

PzIV op, its needs to be 13.7, maybe 14.0 if we are talking about the F2 variant.

[Eftwyrd]

Poor Sweden and their 1.0 reserves from 1949, totally fair fight with a t54(1949) because date and performance are certainly the same thing /sarcasm

Ever stopped for a moment and considered that if date and performance were analogous then a performance based system like BR would naturally fall into chronological order…

Apart from the glaringly obvious problems with any kind of chronological argument to anything that is not an mbt or air superiority fighter produced by a major power, even the major powers themselves design and build low performance vehicles when they aren’t actually expected to meet the best of the best,

because even to the most powerful airforce in the world there is no point spending years or decades pouring billions into a state of the art attack aircraft for low intensity conflicts out of improvised airfields when you can just arm a civilian cropduster, it does the job and the fact it has lower performance than a fighter 80 years older isn’t relevant to its real world use