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Dinonoms Apr 29, 2024 @ 1:25pm
Missiles are the worst...
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I don't know what it is (I am probably just bad) but I swear that missiles have something against me.

I currently play the F-4S (but it is the same with other planes) and my gawd do I hate missiles... They constantly crashing into the ground, randomly self-destruct or simply disappear despite tracking (Con-Trails indicate that at least). The worst thing just happened in my most recent match... I locked a Mig29 with my radar that was coming towards me chasing a retrating ally. Got the red circle around the enemy and fired my Sparrow but instead going for the locked mig it goes straight for my ally that was nowhere near the line of fire.
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Schublade Apr 29, 2024 @ 1:31pm 
Get the replay and use the sensor picture, why waste your time with anecdotal evidence?
Dinonoms Apr 29, 2024 @ 1:32pm 
How do I do that?
gojag706 Apr 29, 2024 @ 1:54pm 
Just play props if you don't want to deal with missiles! /s
Chief Beef Apr 29, 2024 @ 2:06pm 
It’s not the missiles that are bad, for the BR they are very usable you just have to know when you should fire them if you actually expect to get a kill, just because you get a lock doesn’t mean it’s a guaranteed kill.
Before you fire the missile take into account how far it has to travel/check if the enemy is able to use the terrain to their advantage to dodge a potential missiles coming in. When you are firing at targets close to the ground which a good majority of people usually are at that br range your radar will get confuse the ground and the plane making your AAM basically ineffective, and if it does somehow manage to hold a lock it is very easy for an enemy to just notch it into the ground.
Also when you’re firing radar missiles make sure no friendlies are around the enemy, and make sure your radar can have a clean line of sight to the enemy, just because you can see an enemy and get a lock doesn’t mean your radar will always and forever track that enemy, if a friendly gets too close or goes in front of your radar for a second, the radar will switch to the friendly target.
Also radar missiles will blow up if they lose track for a long enough time so that’s why that happened.
A lot of people thing AAM are just 2 buttons easy peasy(which they kind of are) but you definitely need to make sure you have the right parameters for a launch, you can’t just launch them all willy nilly and expect great things.
Chief Beef Apr 29, 2024 @ 2:08pm 
Also I would be careful going up against mig29s or anything with the R27ER, it’s definitely by far the best radar missile in the game and completely out guns the missiles the F4s gets, so do not fall for “trading” radar missiles with a mig or yak-141, their missiles will hit you longggg before yours hits them.
MikeisaGoob Apr 29, 2024 @ 2:43pm 
Originally posted by Dragonoms:
Title...

I don't know what it is (I am probably just bad) but I swear that missiles have something against me.

I currently play the F-4S (but it is the same with other planes) and my gawd do I hate missiles... They constantly crashing into the ground, randomly self-destruct or simply disappear despite tracking (Con-Trails indicate that at least). The worst thing just happened in my most recent match... I locked a Mig29 with my radar that was coming towards me chasing a retrating ally. Got the red circle around the enemy and fired my Sparrow but instead going for the locked mig it goes straight for my ally that was nowhere near the line of fire.

Top tier can be really rough if you jump into a premium without having experience with your radar and missles, generally id look up videos on radar control as not every radar mode is equal and some are complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at keeping missles locked. I dont personally own the f4s so someone who does can correct me but afaik you want to use the pulse doppler mode for best missle tracking otherwise use the hmd mode. Other than that it just takes a little bit of practice to get to know your missles quirks (some missles track very well when fired vertically in a climb but cant track for ♥♥♥♥ in a dive for example).
French Cat Apr 29, 2024 @ 2:45pm 
Originally posted by Dragonoms:
Title...

I don't know what it is (I am probably just bad) but I swear that missiles have something against me.

I currently play the F-4S (but it is the same with other planes) and my gawd do I hate missiles... They constantly crashing into the ground, randomly self-destruct or simply disappear despite tracking (Con-Trails indicate that at least). The worst thing just happened in my most recent match... I locked a Mig29 with my radar that was coming towards me chasing a retrating ally. Got the red circle around the enemy and fired my Sparrow but instead going for the locked mig it goes straight for my ally that was nowhere near the line of fire.
Broski…. That’s how radar missiles work, the type of radar missile the Sparrow is means that other radar contacts can spoof it, leading to the teamkilling. This game has some sense of fidelity, it isn’t an arcade centric game.
Last edited by French Cat; Apr 29, 2024 @ 2:45pm
MikeisaGoob Apr 29, 2024 @ 2:45pm 
Also I highly recommend running 1 gun pod so you aren't completely useless and defenseless after firing all your missiles. It should just give you a feel for how you should be maneuvering and positioning your plane which indirectly should put you in a position where your missiles are much more effective.
Dinonoms Apr 29, 2024 @ 8:34pm 
Okay so I found the replay thingy and looked at some of the replays...

The Sparrow in the lastest match seems to be a case of "The more you know...", although I never had that happen before.

The IR missiles I am not so sure about. It seem the seeker freaks out right before impact...

Gonna figure out how to link to the replays when I am back from work.

About firing missiles...
Not sure what to say. I fire the well within their launch range, try to lead them into the target at launch so they don't make a hard turn at launch and save some energy. But still I had enemies fly in a straight line away from me, not maneuvering and no countermeasures yet the missle did not hit.
I AM THE LAW! Apr 29, 2024 @ 10:35pm 
Originally posted by Dragonoms:
Title...

I don't know what it is (I am probably just bad) but I swear that missiles have something against me.

I currently play the F-4S (but it is the same with other planes) and my gawd do I hate missiles... They constantly crashing into the ground, randomly self-destruct or simply disappear despite tracking (Con-Trails indicate that at least). The worst thing just happened in my most recent match... I locked a Mig29 with my radar that was coming towards me chasing a retrating ally. Got the red circle around the enemy and fired my Sparrow but instead going for the locked mig it goes straight for my ally that was nowhere near the line of fire.
don't listen to these idiots in the comments, they don't know what they're talking about and they don't care, they're cope heads with 0 logic and braincells.
Here's the problem, gaijin recently changed how sparrows work and other SARH radar missiles, because of this change they will randomly quit tracking or not track all together for seemingly no reason, from my experience there is little you can do to ensure it will track other than make sure you're using SRC PD, and that the target is not notching (flying perpendicular to your radar) or flying really close to the ground. These idiots in the comments will say "skill issue" and provide little explanation or advice, that's proof they're trolls/morons. the f4s is a okay grinder and is really not a great plane, I suggest you grind your way to either the f16 or the f15, you will have more enjoyment with those. If grinding is not too big of a issue for you I suggest you grind the russian tech tree, the german french or swedish tech tree, as those have the best top tier jets. I've been very frustrated with sparrows myself lately, so I changed and got the mirage 2000, it's one of the best and most enjoyable toptier planes I"ve ever played, it's reliable, consistant, agile, and well balanced, I whole heartedly prefer it to the f16 or f15, because it doesn't get crap sparrow missiles.

Anyway, sorry for the rant, TLDR, sparrows are bad missiles, play russia, france, sweden, germany for a better experience. (France is a pain untill rank 4-5)
AN/PVS-31C Apr 29, 2024 @ 10:48pm 
low br is best
RXDimA Apr 30, 2024 @ 12:37am 
Just because the contrails disappear does not mean the missile is gone. The rocket fuel ran out but your missile is still gliding towards the target.
Dinonoms Apr 30, 2024 @ 1:00am 
Originally posted by RXDimA:
Just because the contrails disappear does not mean the missile is gone. The rocket fuel ran out but your missile is still gliding towards the target.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. What I meant was that the missile was tracking its target properly but despite the fact the target didn't really manoeuvred, it never connected/hit the target
JuX Apr 30, 2024 @ 1:27am 
It's likely a byproduct of the anti-cheat system of theirs.

The radar paints with a cone, so multiple targets can get painted at sametime. When the missile has two targets within it's seeker heads cone vision it will prioritize friendlies over enemies, cause their data is not going through the system so won't have any issues tracking teammates.

Especially when the anti-cheat was first introduced it was very apparent that vehicle were being invisible cause it was deciding that you weren't suppose to be able to see them, so your game wouldn't know about their existence.
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Date Posted: Apr 29, 2024 @ 1:25pm
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