Why there is Sabre without the AA capabilities in 8.7

[Roshrach]

The sabre is a really good plane, I admit that. It turns great, it shoots great (Except the first two version with the 50cal). But the last version in the US tech tree has nothing more than the first two versions except finally getting a 20mm.

The problem is First two version are really good in every way but its guns. It tooks so long to kill even one target because even 50cal's are great in the first ranks against paper planes but this new cold war era jets with titanium is really hard to kill with this caliber. You know what im talking about if you have played on this ranks before. So i always thought when i finally reach the third version i'll get the AAM missles and 20mm because it is in 8.7 and in that br most jets has AAM missles. With its 20mm It is still a deadly aircraft but its just feels like you have uptiered even if you are at you own br. Always there are missles after you which you can flare it out or because of you have only guns, you are always in a close fight which leads you get shot down by a missle.

This seems unfair at first because the other nations F-86's shoots you down with their missles. Really? Why the hell the even the last version doesn't have missles. I asked it few times on the game chat and only one guy said something logical;
"The americans use the F-86 before the AAM's. So the export versions has AAM's because they had to use old jets that america have sold to them. So they needed to intergrate the planes with modern capabilites."

So is the only problem is lowering the Br? Yes... but no. Of course the currently the last version F-86F-2 should be lowered. Cuz whatever you say it is a plane you'll always have to it as uptiered if it stays this way. Before you say, yeah i am aware and its still usable on its br right now. Still it's a waste of time to play against more advanced aircrafts just because sabre is a good plane. Look guys after 8.7 the games turns into a missle hell. Guns are second option. As sabre you have to evade missles while you try to get into shooting range to an aircraft from its six. And you can't jink like the old times because when they see you running they just launch a missle. It may seems okay because in that br every aricraft is in the same boat on that situation but i am telling again the only diffrence is they can shoot missle and sabre can't. Okay i think if you didn't agree with me at first, now i hope you are or at least you understand the situation.

Now. I said "Yes.. but no" and its the no part now. In my country Turkey we had Sabre's with missles as well. So maybe thats why i am just used to see sabre with missles... or am i? Maybe i'll sound crazy now but my curiosty wouldn't let me go and i've made a little research a while ago but today i got really mad and i wan't to share this problem with you so this is what i got from my readings.

The versions that uses its guns as main armament has kind of early AAM's but too bad to call it an AAM. I've seen the early stages of them and they are more like rockets. So i don't think this bad rockets should be the next update of war thunder, no. In the next war tunder update they have to give USA....

Ladies and gentelmens here is F-86D sabre dog!!!

https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/198076/north-american-f-86d-sabre/#:~:text=of%20the%20time.-,Second%2C%20the%20F-86D%20became%20the%20first%20production%20single-,--%20presented%20a%20distinctive%20profile.

I really didn't understand Why this is not in the game in the first place, maybe even i didn't know existence of this plane as well. Why the American players didn't wanted their plane in the game till this time? It's sad a random turkish player had to come up with this while american players cry about abrams. Whatever the plane that needs to be at 8.7 is sabre dog, not F-86F-2.

I hope you guys back me up and i hope they add this aircraft to the game.
Mic off. Thanks for reading this long text a lot.

PS: Please add the 8th most advanced military in the game (which is turkey).
https://y20india.in/countries-with-most-powerful-military-forces/#:~:text=The%20United%20States&text='The%20United%20States'%20has%20the,on%20its%20military%20in%202023.

psst!
Hey.. We build our own tanks, helicopters and planes as well. Add turkey tech tree

[Roshrach]

I typed it wrong here
"Always there are missles after you which you can flare it out"
It gotta be "which you CAN'T flare it out"

[Miles "Tails" Prower]

Originally posted by Roshrach:

The sabre is a really good plane, I admit that. It turns great, it shoots great (Except the first two version with the 50cal). But the last version in the US tech tree has nothing more than the first two versions except finally getting a 20mm.

The problem is First two version are really good in every way but its guns. It tooks so long to kill even one target because even 50cal's are great in the first ranks against paper planes but this new cold war era jets with titanium is really hard to kill with this caliber. You know what im talking about if you have played on this ranks before. So i always thought when i finally reach the third version i'll get the AAM missles and 20mm because it is in 8.7 and in that br most jets has AAM missles. With its 20mm It is still a deadly aircraft but its just feels like you have uptiered even if you are at you own br. Always there are missles after you which you can flare it out or because of you have only guns, you are always in a close fight which leads you get shot down by a missle.

This seems unfair at first because the other nations F-86's shoots you down with their missles. Really? Why the hell the even the last version doesn't have missles. I asked it few times on the game chat and only one guy said something logical;
"The americans use the F-86 before the AAM's. So the export versions has AAM's because they had to use old jets that america have sold to them. So they needed to intergrate the planes with modern capabilites."

So is the only problem is lowering the Br? Yes... but no. Of course the currently the last version F-86F-2 should be lowered. Cuz whatever you say it is a plane you'll always have to it as uptiered if it stays this way. Before you say, yeah i am aware and its still usable on its br right now. Still it's a waste of time to play against more advanced aircrafts just because sabre is a good plane. Look guys after 8.7 the games turns into a missle hell. Guns are second option. As sabre you have to evade missles while you try to get into shooting range to an aircraft from its six. And you can't jink like the old times because when they see you running they just launch a missle. It may seems okay because in that br every aricraft is in the same boat on that situation but i am telling again the only diffrence is they can shoot missle and sabre can't. Okay i think if you didn't agree with me at first, now i hope you are or at least you understand the situation.

Now. I said "Yes.. but no" and its the no part now. In my country Turkey we had Sabre's with missles as well. So maybe thats why i am just used to see sabre with missles... or am i? Maybe i'll sound crazy now but my curiosty wouldn't let me go and i've made a little research a while ago but today i got really mad and i wan't to share this problem with you so this is what i got from my readings.

The versions that uses its guns as main armament has kind of early AAM's but too bad to call it an AAM. I've seen the early stages of them and they are more like rockets. So i don't think this bad rockets should be the next update of war thunder, no. In the next war tunder update they have to give USA....

Ladies and gentelmens here is F-86D sabre dog!!!

https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/198076/north-american-f-86d-sabre/#:~:text=of%20the%20time.-,Second%2C%20the%20F-86D%20became%20the%20first%20production%20single-,--%20presented%20a%20distinctive%20profile.

I really didn't understand Why this is not in the game in the first place, maybe even i didn't know existence of this plane as well. Why the American players didn't wanted their plane in the game till this time? It's sad a random turkish player had to come up with this while american players cry about abrams. Whatever the plane that needs to be at 8.7 is sabre dog, not F-86F-2.

I hope you guys back me up and i hope they add this aircraft to the game.
Mic off. Thanks for reading this long text a lot.

PS: Please add the 8th most advanced military in the game (which is turkey).
https://y20india.in/countries-with-most-powerful-military-forces/#:~:text=The%20United%20States&text='The%20United%20States'%20has%20the,on%20its%20military%20in%202023.

psst!
Hey.. We build our own tanks, helicopters and planes as well. Add turkey tech tree

Turkey is like the worst NATO and US allied country IMO

[Roshrach]

Originally posted by Miles "Tails" Prower:

Originally posted by Roshrach:

Turkey is like the worst NATO and US allied country IMO

Man there is a meme between military geeks that there is no NATO without turkey. They make memes like a turkish soldier carrying a heavy nato flag. I wanna repeat that this memes made by military geeks, not some turkish dudes. I understand why you think that way but it is techincally makes lots of sense is the top gun of the NATO is turkey because like i mentioned ago, its the 8th most powerful military and the other european countries army is far from being as srong as we are.

It's just because we are middle of everything and if we didn't have a strong army we won't exist till this day. EU countries won't need an army like like ours.

[Kay]

The sabre dog is already in game (in several tech trees) as the F-86K. It wasn't armed with air-to-air missiles in American service, because it was phased out 3 years before the AIM-9B entered service with the US air force . It was armed only 24 with FFARs, It'd be a terrible choice to add to the US air tree.

The reason Sabres don't get AAMs (AAM stands for Air-to-Air Missile) in the US tech tree, is that they weren't equipped with them in US service. The US had moved on to new aircraft by the time the AIM-9B entered service with them, so there wasn't any point in upgrading Sabres to carry them.

On top of all that, the F-86F-2 is perfectly fine at its current BR, it's more than competitive with most missiles it's facing being easily avoided (even a gentle turn is enough to defeat an AIM-9B/E), and it's massive improvement in terms of firepower over other Sabres with 4 20mm cannons instead of 6 .50 cal MGs (none of the 8.7 F-86s have AAMs, they're all 9.0/9.3 if they get them, and they're always AIM-9Bs which struggle with gentle turns), so it more than justifies its BR.

Edit: as for a Turkey tree, they simply don't have enough unique vehicles to be a separate tree. They have precisely one tank, the Atlay, otherwise using American or Israeli tanks, or soviet tanks during WW2.