Chi-Nu at 3.3?

[plugwater]

Always wondered, what exactly makes this thing worthy of 3.3?

[Wandering Flare]

Gaijin's horrible approach to statistics.

[kY0U]

real question is what else could be 3.3

[Chaoslord 87]

Japanese mains have more braincells than German and Russian mains.
That´s why Panzer 4 F2 and KV-1/2 are so low in BR to make up that lack of brain power.

[Shyue Chou]

It is just the Japanese equivalent of the Pz IV F2. The APHE shell has slighter less penetration but far more explosive content. It is a 3.3 vehicle alright.

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by Shyue Chou:

It is just the Japanese equivalent of the Pz IV F2. The APHE shell has slighter less penetration but far more explosive content. It is a 3.3 vehicle alright.

Slightly? 30mm more pen is anything but slightly plus the Panzer IV ammo is capped which helps against angles.

[plugwater]

Originally posted by Shyue Chou:

It is just the Japanese equivalent of the Pz IV F2. The APHE shell has slighter less penetration but far more explosive content. It is a 3.3 vehicle alright.

I think it'd be better at 3.0. Uncapped shells are a crazy downside.

[FizzyElf]

Originally posted by s_bujiang:

Always wondered, what exactly makes this thing worthy of 3.3?

It's Japanese, why wouldn't it be 3.3?

[Chaoslink]

I mean, similar to the Dicker Max, Stuher Emil and other open top TDs with little more than the gun going for it, I think this vehicle would be hurt by going *down* in BR as it'd just face even more things that have faster reloads to get follow up shots it can't take. If anything, it might be better at 3.7 where it faces more Shermans, T-34s and PZ IVs and less Stuarts or other lower BR tanks with smaller but faster firing guns.

[plugwater]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

I mean, similar to the Dicker Max, Stuher Emil and other open top TDs with little more than the gun going for it, I think this vehicle would be hurt by going *down* in BR as it'd just face even more things that have faster reloads to get follow up shots it can't take. If anything, it might be better at 3.7 where it faces more Shermans, T-34s and PZ IVs and less Stuarts or other lower BR tanks with smaller but faster firing guns.

If you play the vehicle you'd find that its gun struggles enough for the BR it's at. It doesn't have problems with light vehicles because it has suitable penetration for their armour and a decent filler, the gun it uses is present on the Ho-Ni III which deals with stuarts and the lot even more often so a turret would only the gun help it perform against lights even better. Chi-Nu at 3.7 would make me want to , how could it share a br with the chaffee which has a smaller profile, stab, better gun and scouting?

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by s_bujiang:

If you play the vehicle you'd find that its gun struggles enough for the BR it's at. It doesn't have problems with light vehicles because it has suitable penetration for their armour and a decent filler, the gun it uses is present on the Ho-Ni III which deals with stuarts and the lot even more often so a turret would only the gun help it perform against lights even better. Chi-Nu at 3.7 would make me want to , how could it share a br with the chaffee which has a smaller profile, stab, better gun and scouting?

Heh, kinda got it mixed up in my head with the Na-To actually. Yeah, the Chi Nu is not as good as a Chaffee. Still not that bad overall, but its a medium you play like a light tank.

Still, as a 3.3 that is tier 3 for daily tasks and whatnot, I'll take it.

[plugwater]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Originally posted by s_bujiang:

If you play the vehicle you'd find that its gun struggles enough for the BR it's at. It doesn't have problems with light vehicles because it has suitable penetration for their armour and a decent filler, the gun it uses is present on the Ho-Ni III which deals with stuarts and the lot even more often so a turret would only the gun help it perform against lights even better. Chi-Nu at 3.7 would make me want to , how could it share a br with the chaffee which has a smaller profile, stab, better gun and scouting?

Heh, kinda got it mixed up in my head with the Na-To actually. Yeah, the Chi Nu is not as good as a Chaffee. Still not that bad overall, but its a medium you play like a light tank.

Still, as a 3.3 that is tier 3 for daily tasks and whatnot, I'll take it.

Na-To is absolutely fine at 3.3, for sure. In my opinion the Chi-Nu would be better at 3.0 because the extra filler doesn't justify the same BR as the pz iv f2, whose gun has better pen/drop/capped shells, etc. I have no problem making it work, but I just can't wrap my head around its br placement

[Kay]

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

Originally posted by Shyue Chou:

It is just the Japanese equivalent of the Pz IV F2. The APHE shell has slighter less penetration but far more explosive content. It is a 3.3 vehicle alright.

Slightly? 30mm more pen is anything but slightly plus the Panzer IV ammo is capped which helps against angles.

It actually doesn't help against angles, caps are there for the shatter gap, not angle performance (and the Chi-Nu's Type 1 APHE has better angle modifiers so that even with 30mm less flat pen, it only has 3mm less at 60 degrees (or 20mm less at 30 degrees))

It also has about 4x the filler in the round, and is otherwise very similar to the Pz IV, it's genuinely not bad and I don't think it warrants a change in BR

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by Kay:

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

Slightly? 30mm more pen is anything but slightly plus the Panzer IV ammo is capped which helps against angles.

It actually doesn't help against angles, caps are there for the shatter gap, not angle performance (and the Chi-Nu's Type 1 APHE has better angle modifiers so that even with 30mm less flat pen, it only has 3mm less at 60 degrees (or 20mm less at 30 degrees))

It also has about 4x the filler in the round, and is otherwise very similar to the Pz IV, it's genuinely not bad and I don't think it warrants a change in BR

The Panzer IV F2 is a bad comparison anyway as its more a TD than a medium tank. The gun is much higher in performance than other guns at a comparable BR and the armor is paper. If you ask me, the F2 is a bad tank like the M10, despite how much they're played. Its largely because they can't take hits for ♥♥♥♥. Gun isn't everything.

[plugwater]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Originally posted by Kay:

It actually doesn't help against angles, caps are there for the shatter gap, not angle performance (and the Chi-Nu's Type 1 APHE has better angle modifiers so that even with 30mm less flat pen, it only has 3mm less at 60 degrees (or 20mm less at 30 degrees))

It also has about 4x the filler in the round, and is otherwise very similar to the Pz IV, it's genuinely not bad and I don't think it warrants a change in BR

The Panzer IV F2 is a bad comparison anyway as its more a TD than a medium tank. The gun is much higher in performance than other guns at a comparable BR and the armor is paper. If you ask me, the F2 is a bad tank like the M10, despite how much they're played. Its largely because they can't take hits for ♥♥♥♥. Gun isn't everything.

The Chi-Nu and Pz F2 have comparable armour, both classified as mediums and the same br. I think it's fine to compare them.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by s_bujiang:

The Chi-Nu and Pz F2 have comparable armour, both classified as mediums and the same br. I think it's fine to compare them.

As far as the gun is concerned though, its one of the best guns of the BR. Not the greatest comparison.

Note, not everything of the same BR will be exactly as effective as everything else. There will be some discrepencies here and there.