Why does the T-80UD not have the correct flag?

[Extal]

As almost everyone knows the T-80UD is a Ukrainian modification of the tank, at least put the effort in to use the Ukrainian Soviet Republic flag and not the generic USSR flag.

Super weird how both streams almost refused to showcase it, the english stream just redirected you to the russian one whenever someone asked and the russian stream only showed it at the last second...

Do better gaijin!

[LordBUM]

snail doesn't want to anger its russian player base which i find funny because Ukraine has a bigger player base and has been asking for proper representation in the game for years.

[kamikazi21358]

The T-80UD was first manufactured under the USSR in the late 1980s, where Ukraine was a part of the Soviet Union. Additionally, some were even used by Russian forces* too since it was one of the best tanks made under the USSR, so it would make sense if the tank was being interpreted as a late 1980s/early 1990s era version of it.


*I am pretty sure even the T-80UD specifically was used in the coup in Moscow, it is from Ukraine but not exclusively used by them.

[Gamecks]

Originally posted by Extal:

As almost everyone knows the T-80UD is a Ukrainian modification of the tank, at least put the effort in to use the Ukrainian Soviet Republic flag and not the generic USSR flag.

Super weird how both streams almost refused to showcase it, the english stream just redirected you to the russian one whenever someone asked and the russian stream only showed it at the last second...

Do better gaijin!

It would be pretty weird to show the Ukraine SSR flag for a vehicle made in the USSR. It would be like having the Ohio state flag for the M1 Abrams since they are made there.

That said I would still like to see Ukrainian vehicles like all their T-64/80 modifications under their appropriate flag if/when they are added.

[Extal]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

The T-80UD was first manufactured under the USSR in the late 1980s, where Ukraine was a part of the Soviet Union. Additionally, some were even used by Russian forces* too since it was one of the best tanks made under the USSR, so it would make sense if the tank was being interpreted as a late 1980s/early 1990s era version of it.


*I am pretty sure even the T-80UD specifically was used in the coup in Moscow, it is from Ukraine but not exclusively used by them.

That's like justifying using the russian flag for the T-72AV since it's "made by russia".

[Extal]

Originally posted by Gamecks:

Originally posted by Extal:

As almost everyone knows the T-80UD is a Ukrainian modification of the tank, at least put the effort in to use the Ukrainian Soviet Republic flag and not the generic USSR flag.

Super weird how both streams almost refused to showcase it, the english stream just redirected you to the russian one whenever someone asked and the russian stream only showed it at the last second...

Do better gaijin!

It would be pretty weird to show the Ukraine SSR flag for a vehicle made in the USSR. It would be like having the Ohio state flag for the M1 Abrams since they are made there.

That said I would still like to see Ukrainian vehicles like all their T-64/80 modifications under their appropriate flag if/when they are added.

That's not the same thing, the USSR was the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" and not "Union of Soviet Socialist States".

[Extal]

Originally posted by RosemiSob:

Actual clown thread made by the deranged

Originally posted by LordBUM:

snail doesn't want to anger its russian player base which i find funny because Ukraine has a bigger player base and has been asking for proper representation in the game for years.

Yeah it's insane, the majority of eastern european players are either Ukrainian or Polish, Russia is the minority in this case.

[Extal]

Originally posted by RosemiSob:

Actual clown thread made by the deranged

cope, botnik

[Gamecks]

Originally posted by Extal:

Originally posted by Gamecks:

It would be pretty weird to show the Ukraine SSR flag for a vehicle made in the USSR. It would be like having the Ohio state flag for the M1 Abrams since they are made there.

That said I would still like to see Ukrainian vehicles like all their T-64/80 modifications under their appropriate flag if/when they are added.

That's not the same thing, the USSR was the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" and not "Union of Soviet Socialist States".

So I never said it was the same thing. I meant it would just be strange to represent vehicles with the flags of regional subdivisions as opposed to the federal/central government of the country they were manufactured in within that political entity. Again, see example of representing Abrams with Ohio flag. Ohio exists as its own entity within a state but that doesn't mean we should give Abrams the Ohio flag. Should British vehicles receive the flags of Wales, Scotland, England or Northern Ireland if they were made within those regions? No.

[Extal]

Originally posted by Gamecks:

Originally posted by Extal:

That's not the same thing, the USSR was the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" and not "Union of Soviet Socialist States".

So I never said it was the same thing. I meant it would just be strange to represent vehicles with the flags of regional subdivisions as opposed to the federal/central government of the country they were manufactured in within that political entity. Again, see example of representing Abrams with Ohio flag. Ohio exists as its own entity within a state but that doesn't mean we should give Abrams the Ohio flag. Should British vehicles receive the flags of Wales, Scotland, England or Northern Ireland if they were made within those regions? No.

Yes? UK regional indicators should absolutely be used if said country makes/uses them. It makes sense and is nice to see your country represented in-game.

[Extal]

Originally posted by Gamecks:

Originally posted by Extal:

That's not the same thing, the USSR was the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" and not "Union of Soviet Socialist States".

So I never said it was the same thing. I meant it would just be strange to represent vehicles with the flags of regional subdivisions as opposed to the federal/central government of the country they were manufactured in within that political entity. Again, see example of representing Abrams with Ohio flag. Ohio exists as its own entity within a state but that doesn't mean we should give Abrams the Ohio flag. Should British vehicles receive the flags of Wales, Scotland, England or Northern Ireland if they were made within those regions? No.

Also, unlike Ukraine, Scotland, Wales & England, Ohio isn't a country, it's a state.

[Gamecks]

Originally posted by Extal:

Originally posted by Gamecks:

So I never said it was the same thing. I meant it would just be strange to represent vehicles with the flags of regional subdivisions as opposed to the federal/central government of the country they were manufactured in within that political entity. Again, see example of representing Abrams with Ohio flag. Ohio exists as its own entity within a state but that doesn't mean we should give Abrams the Ohio flag. Should British vehicles receive the flags of Wales, Scotland, England or Northern Ireland if they were made within those regions? No.

Yes? UK regional indicators should absolutely be used if said country makes/uses them. It makes sense and is nice to see your country represented in-game.

Alright go make a forum post about it see how well that goes over, good luck convincing people of that one. Imagine being killed by a Bf 109 and instead of it having a German flag its just counted in game as Bavarian lmao.

[Gamecks]

Originally posted by Extal:

Originally posted by Gamecks:

So I never said it was the same thing. I meant it would just be strange to represent vehicles with the flags of regional subdivisions as opposed to the federal/central government of the country they were manufactured in within that political entity. Again, see example of representing Abrams with Ohio flag. Ohio exists as its own entity within a state but that doesn't mean we should give Abrams the Ohio flag. Should British vehicles receive the flags of Wales, Scotland, England or Northern Ireland if they were made within those regions? No.

Also, unlike Ukraine, Scotland, Wales & England, Ohio isn't a country, it's a state.

US states operate with a lot of autonomy to the point of US states in many cases being able to enact legislation in conflict with US federal law. In effect they act as nations within a nation. Especially regions such as Texas, Florida and California essentially serve as mini countries.

[Extal]

Originally posted by Gamecks:

Originally posted by Extal:

Also, unlike Ukraine, Scotland, Wales & England, Ohio isn't a country, it's a state.

US states operate with a lot of autonomy to the point of US states in many cases being able to enact legislation in conflict with US federal law. In effect they act as nations within a nation. Especially regions such as Texas, Florida and California essentially serve as mini countries.

Okay I'm not furthering this discussion, but european COUNTRIES are vastly unlike U.S STATES. And German counties arent even remotely similar so bavarian would NOT make sense.

[Tony Hawking]

Originally posted by Extal:

As almost everyone knows the T-80UD is a Ukrainian modification of the tank, at least put the effort in to use the Ukrainian Soviet Republic flag and not the generic USSR flag.

Super weird how both streams almost refused to showcase it, the english stream just redirected you to the russian one whenever someone asked and the russian stream only showed it at the last second...

Do better gaijin!

You need to pay for it

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Extal:

Originally posted by Gamecks:

So I never said it was the same thing. I meant it would just be strange to represent vehicles with the flags of regional subdivisions as opposed to the federal/central government of the country they were manufactured in within that political entity. Again, see example of representing Abrams with Ohio flag. Ohio exists as its own entity within a state but that doesn't mean we should give Abrams the Ohio flag. Should British vehicles receive the flags of Wales, Scotland, England or Northern Ireland if they were made within those regions? No.

Also, unlike Ukraine, Scotland, Wales & England, Ohio isn't a country, it's a state.

Like US States, Ukraine SSR, Scotland (since 1707) and Bavaria (since WW1) does not, or did not, maintain their own military. So they are not independent operators of armored vehicles.

Therefore, vehicles originally developed or manufactured in the region associated with these entities should be flagged with their original operating state.

In the case of the T-80UD that is the USSR despite Ukraine also being an operator of the vehicle. As is the case with most if not all vehicles operated by multiple countries in WT. Now, the T-84, developed from the T-80UD, in an independent Ukraine, should of course be flagged as Ukrainian if and when they are included in WT.