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[TC Durant]

When are yalll gonna do something a bout the OP missiles when america doesnt have anything 40g comparable? BS that we have to be out bvr with russian missile spam

[JuX]

AIM-7's used to be comparable to them in G's. It was deadly missile in close- to mid ranges that required effort to actually evade. Otherwise you ended up getting smacked in the face everytime in a head-on engagement if you didn't defend.

However the AIM-7's been nerfed to the ground. It's such a joke these days that it can even miss targets from optimal conditions.

Even iv been shot at by AIM-7's and they flew over my head for no reason every now and then.


But R-27's have always retained their unchallenged BVR supremacy. Even before AIM-7's were nerfed there was no beating them in BVR. You could launch a sparrow with several second advantage and crank it. But R-27 would still hit you first, even if the russian jet didn't bother defending.

[Colonel Jason]

Originally posted by JuX:

AIM-7's used to be comparable to them in G's. It was deadly missile in close- to mid ranges that required effort to actually evade. Otherwise you ended up getting smacked in the face everytime in a head-on engagement if you didn't defend.

However the AIM-7's been nerfed to the ground. It's such a joke these days that it can even miss targets from optimal conditions.

Even iv been shot at by AIM-7's and they flew over my head for no reason every now and then.


But R-27's have always retained their unchallenged BVR supremacy. Even before AIM-7's were nerfed there was no beating them in BVR. You could launch a sparrow with several second advantage and crank it. But R-27 would still hit you first, even if the russian jet didn't bother defending.

Yeah you are but according to some youtubers sparrow is just "fine"

[Ddinosaur]

Originally posted by TC Durant:

When are yalll gonna do something a bout the OP missiles when america doesnt have anything 40g comparable? BS that we have to be out bvr with russian missile spam

*30 G

[AyyMD]

You have the AIM-9M right now, quit crying.

[TC Durant]

Originally posted by AyyyyyyMD:

You have the AIM-9M right now, quit crying.

its a 36k ft range IR missiles R27 is 82k ft radar,

[Colonel Jason]

Originally posted by AyyyyyyMD:

You have the AIM-9M right now, quit crying.

Which can be dodged by just one flare and little bit of turning..

[Seven of Nine]

In the meanwhile, Gripens and F16s dominate air CQB.
In the meanwhile, the ARB is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at Top Tier.

The game's maps are not suited for Top Tier.
The game's modes are not suited for Top Tier.

The R27ER is much less a problem, than people make it out to be.

Everybody flies low, the game doesn't even have proper BVR engagements as everyone is almost always enforced into dogfighting.

If you want a game that does allow for insane BVR engagements, I'd like to point you into the direction of DCS. Mind you as a game that game is more superb.

[AyyMD]

Originally posted by Colonel Jason:

Originally posted by AyyyyyyMD:

You have the AIM-9M right now, quit crying.

Which can be dodged by just one flare and little bit of turning..

Okay, and the R-27 can be dodged by a bit of low flying or perpendicular flying.

[AyyMD]

Originally posted by TC Durant:

Originally posted by AyyyyyyMD:

You have the AIM-9M right now, quit crying.

its a 36k ft range IR missiles R27 is 82k ft radar,

One side gets the better SARH, one side gets the better IR, thats always been the balance of top tier as long as theyve had SARH missiles.

[coolasianinja]

Originally posted by JuX:

AIM-7's used to be comparable to them in G's. It was deadly missile in close- to mid ranges that required effort to actually evade. Otherwise you ended up getting smacked in the face everytime in a head-on engagement if you didn't defend.

However the AIM-7's been nerfed to the ground. It's such a joke these days that it can even miss targets from optimal conditions.

Even iv been shot at by AIM-7's and they flew over my head for no reason every now and then.


But R-27's have always retained their unchallenged BVR supremacy. Even before AIM-7's were nerfed there was no beating them in BVR. You could launch a sparrow with several second advantage and crank it. But R-27 would still hit you first, even if the russian jet didn't bother defending.

idk man. fly high and use PD to guide in the aim 7s against the deck fliers. works for me at least until a r27 slams me in the face

[✿Sqüirrel✿]

Another low end USA player who doesn't realize they have some of the best planes and missiles in the game and still cant make it work...No one decent dies to radar missiles, and the planes that carry the r27 are worse in every way once those missiles are gone. The r27...and all radar missiles for that matter, are essentially dummy testers. One of the most dangerous planes in the game at the moment is the Gripen. It has the skyflash friend...the skyflash, and yet the plane dominates top tier. Guess those fancy radar missiles dont mean anything?

[Blyatman]

Originally posted by ✿Sqüirrel✿:

Another low end USA player who doesn't realize they have some of the best planes and missiles in the game and still cant make it work...No one decent dies to radar missiles, and the planes that carry the r27 are worse in every way once those missiles are gone. The r27...and all radar missiles for that matter, are essentially dummy testers. One of the most dangerous planes in the game at the moment is the Gripen. It has the skyflash friend...the skyflash, and yet the plane dominates top tier. Guess those fancy radar missiles dont mean anything?

IDK i shoot down grippens all the time.

[jaxjace]

9Ms have smokeless motors, its ridiculously easy to rack up locks and kills because nobody knows there is a missile even in the air so they dont even flare, and dont tell me its one flareable thats nonsense i have them on the grippen they absolutely ignore flares all the time because they have IRCCM and it works.

I have used the R27ET R73 and Aim9m and they are all fantastic missiles but for different reasons, as far as the meta of Warthunder goes with the 16v16 concept the 9M is undoubtedly the best all around missile to take simply because of its smokeless motor, its insane how easy it is to kill people who dont know a missile is in the air and have no way of knowing that one is in the air except for the best RWRs in the game.

[Colonel Jason]

Originally posted by AyyyyyyMD:

Originally posted by Colonel Jason:

Which can be dodged by just one flare and little bit of turning..

Okay, and the R-27 can be dodged by a bit of low flying or perpendicular flying.

State of the R-27 is not even close to what you've said but okay,whatever floats your sinking boat I guess..

[AyyMD]

Originally posted by Colonel Jason:

Originally posted by AyyyyyyMD:

Okay, and the R-27 can be dodged by a bit of low flying or perpendicular flying.

State of the R-27 is not even close to what you've said but okay,whatever floats your sinking boat I guess..

I'm pointing ourt that they can both be dodged with some simple maneuvers, USSR has the R-73/27ER/T combo, NATO has the 9M/7M combo, both have their own strengths and weaknesses. Warfare is not balanced