R60M Has IRCCM

[chicks99]

Anybody else experience this?

You're in a head on with a Mig29, you preflare, he shoots the R60, you flare more, and it still hits you? By the way, you're in a F4E because Gaijin loves balance.

[Illusionyary]

Most missiles within 1km become unflareable if you keep afterburning or hard evade.

[French Cat]

Escrito originalmente por chicks99:

Anybody else experience this?

You're in a head on with a Mig29, you preflare, he shoots the R60, you flare more, and it still hits you? By the way, you're in a F4E because Gaijin loves balance.

The Phantoms have extremely hot engines, so hot, they’re hotter than the sun. What I said isn’t true but in this game, it is. You ALWAYS need to turn off the afterburner when flaring. There is no exception. Any angle, any range, you need to turn those 2 suns of yours off. The F-4E is a very good plane, you just need to know how to listen to it.

[JuX]

Think counter-measures do not work for some aircrafts.

Earlier this year F-14B did manage to hit me with a sparrow from rear-aspect. Which is odd considering it's radar modes are head-on's. So it can only use the SRC to lock-on in this situation.

However it did not care despite me using ton of chaff from a counter-measure pods and maneuvering out of the way. Managing to hit me perfectly.

Iv had similar experiences with AIM-9L's. This missile absolutely loves flares, but for some reason it doesn't care about flares of some aircrafts at all, even if they aren't using afterburner.

[Elijah]

In general, since they introduced the F-16C with Aim-9L and Mig-29SMT with R73/R27E, Flares and Chaff have become unreliable at best. Seriously, Top-Tier Arcade has turned from practicly Missel Spam only, to literally Missel Spam only.
Any potential for counterplay is dead at this point.

[Marburger05]

man atleast the F-4E has some form of chance i cry in the F-104S/ASA as a italy main. but as explained already flares withing 1km are basically a death sentence

[✿Sqüirrel✿]

Escrito originalmente por BitchyBitchLover69:

In general, since they introduced the F-16C with Aim-9L and Mig-29SMT with R73/R27E, Flares and Chaff have become unreliable at best. Seriously, Top-Tier Arcade has turned from practicly Missel Spam only, to literally Missel Spam only.
Any potential for counterplay is dead at this point.

Every single missile at top tier can be avoided...and fairly easily under most circumstances. It is about your positioning before the launch even happens.

Escrito originalmente por JuX:

Think counter-measures do not work for some aircrafts.

Earlier this year F-14B did manage to hit me with a sparrow from rear-aspect. Which is odd considering it's radar modes are head-on's. So it can only use the SRC to lock-on in this situation.

However it did not care despite me using ton of chaff from a counter-measure pods and maneuvering out of the way. Managing to hit me perfectly.

Iv had similar experiences with AIM-9L's. This missile absolutely loves flares, but for some reason it doesn't care about flares of some aircrafts at all, even if they aren't using afterburner.

The f14 can still PD a lock on targets flying away if the speed differential is enough, and even if it was using SRC mode, you have to escape the radar cone AFTER getting the radar to lock your chaff, or the missile will still track the largest thing it can see. All SRC style radars and their missiles have the same principle. It isnt about the amount of chaff you use, it is about using enough chaff to get the radar to lock the chaff (usually 1) and then quickly escaping the radar cone before the missile reaches you. The mechanics aren't broken, you just don't understand them and how they apply to a dynamic enviroment.

[Blyatman]

oh dude play the MiG-23, its countermeasures do nothing because of its beefy engine.

[Jaes]

Escrito originalmente por ✿Sqüirrel✿:

Escrito originalmente por BitchyBitchLover69:

In general, since they introduced the F-16C with Aim-9L and Mig-29SMT with R73/R27E, Flares and Chaff have become unreliable at best. Seriously, Top-Tier Arcade has turned from practicly Missel Spam only, to literally Missel Spam only.
Any potential for counterplay is dead at this point.

Every single missile at top tier can be avoided...and fairly easily under most circumstances. It is about your positioning before the launch even happens.

Escrito originalmente por JuX:

Think counter-measures do not work for some aircrafts.

Earlier this year F-14B did manage to hit me with a sparrow from rear-aspect. Which is odd considering it's radar modes are head-on's. So it can only use the SRC to lock-on in this situation.

However it did not care despite me using ton of chaff from a counter-measure pods and maneuvering out of the way. Managing to hit me perfectly.

Iv had similar experiences with AIM-9L's. This missile absolutely loves flares, but for some reason it doesn't care about flares of some aircrafts at all, even if they aren't using afterburner.

The f14 can still PD a lock on targets flying away if the speed differential is enough, and even if it was using SRC mode, you have to escape the radar cone AFTER getting the radar to lock your chaff, or the missile will still track the largest thing it can see. All SRC style radars and their missiles have the same principle. It isnt about the amount of chaff you use, it is about using enough chaff to get the radar to lock the chaff (usually 1) and then quickly escaping the radar cone before the missile reaches you. The mechanics aren't broken, you just don't understand them and how they apply to a dynamic enviroment.

This homie is correct.

You also need to take into consideration closure rate calculations of the attacker's radar and missile. If you're still moving in a relatively steady line compared to the information the radar is getting from the chaff, you're still presenting a "bigger" target than the chaff is able to pull off.

Hard breaks are still necessary as well as reducing your closure rate (typically by going into a Notch), and there can be just a point where you did it too slow and it doesn't matter anyways.

Escrito originalmente por chicks99:

Anybody else experience this?

You're in a head on with a Mig29, you preflare, he shoots the R60, you flare more, and it still hits you? By the way, you're in a F4E because Gaijin loves balance.

You still need to pull away from the direction the missile is traveling because of how the Countermeasures deploy from the F-4E. If you're just going in a straight line, flares aren't going to save you. The missile is just going to track right under your F-4E's belly and still detonate because of the proxy fuse.