J-20

[Sonwig]

Do you ever think they will add the J-20 and the other 5th generation jets? It is my favourite jet plane, but I also like all stealth jets like the F-22 and SU-57 too, and I think they are the most beautiful weapons since WW2 piston planes. It is too much better than those planes though so I understand it will only come out when the F-35 does.

[Chad Chungus]

bros favorite jet is a chinese rustbucket f35 clone that can barely stay airborne 💀

[Sonwig]

Originally posted by Chad Chungus:

bros favorite jet is a chinese rustbucket f35 clone that can barely stay airborne 💀

I think you need to actually look at the J-20. It is nothing like the f35, like there are canards and two engines. The design is better for stealth. I think you are just being a lazy american who can't use a search engine.

[gojag706]

Originally posted by Sonwig:

Originally posted by Chad Chungus:

bros favorite jet is a chinese rustbucket f35 clone that can barely stay airborne 💀

I think you need to actually look at the J-20. It is nothing like the f35, like there are canards and two engines. The design is better for stealth. I think you are just being a lazy american who can't use a search engine.

That is exactly what makes it funny. I think you are just being a narcissistic European who can't handle Americans having cooler planes.

[FleetCommander USMC]

Originally posted by gojag706:

Originally posted by Sonwig:

I think you need to actually look at the J-20. It is nothing like the f35, like there are canards and two engines. The design is better for stealth. I think you are just being a lazy american who can't use a search engine.

That is exactly what makes it funny. I think you are just being a narcissistic European who can't handle Americans having cooler planes.

You're all wrong! YF-23 supremacy!

[Chad Chungus]

Originally posted by Sonwig:

Originally posted by Chad Chungus:

bros favorite jet is a chinese rustbucket f35 clone that can barely stay airborne 💀

I think you need to actually look at the J-20. It is nothing like the f35, like there are canards and two engines. The design is better for stealth. I think you are just being a lazy american who can't use a search engine.

its factually worse in every category.

why do you think they use 2 engines? because they are incapable of copying ours. they have tried to copy our engines many times, and they all end up exploding, because their engineers are clueless. hell, they can hardly make their own engines work

[FleetCommander USMC]

Originally posted by Chad Chungus:

Originally posted by Sonwig:

I think you need to actually look at the J-20. It is nothing like the f35, like there are canards and two engines. The design is better for stealth. I think you are just being a lazy american who can't use a search engine.

its factually worse in every category.

why do you think they use 2 engines? because they are incapable of copying ours. they have tried to copy our engines many times, and they all end up exploding, because their engineers are clueless. hell, they can hardly make their own engines work

Air frames are easy to copy, internals are not. The J-20 is an example of this. However, realistically speaking they should've realized how to build proper engines by now so I wouldn't doubt them too much. As said in war many times before, underestimation is fatal.

[gojag706]

Originally posted by FleetCommander USMC:

Originally posted by gojag706:

That is exactly what makes it funny. I think you are just being a narcissistic European who can't handle Americans having cooler planes.

You're all wrong! YF-23 supremacy!

I stand completely corrected, F-35 and J-20 are both copies of YF-23

[Illusionyary]

Bro we barely have 4th generation the game is nowhere near ready for 5th...

[shipdesignerdude]

Originally posted by Sonwig:

Originally posted by Chad Chungus:

bros favorite jet is a chinese rustbucket f35 clone that can barely stay airborne 💀

I think you need to actually look at the J-20. It is nothing like the f35, like there are canards and two engines. The design is better for stealth. I think you are just being a lazy american who can't use a search engine.

Would the fact it has canards both mean it has a shortfall in maneuverability that needed to be made up and a corresponding increase in rcs? It's also an interceptor by design, something we haven't really seen with other current 5th gen designs. The F-35 is a multirole aircraft, and F-22 air supremacy. They're not designed for the same role, but the J-20 is worse stealth-wise. It was also built with data stolen from the F-35 program.

[Donut]

You guys are all wrong really, BV 238 is on top and i think everyone knows the truth, Those that disagree are wrong ezpz

[[EASY] Rookie Player]

LMAO Your American trash plane just spent 30 mins on shooting down a balloon. I doubt it can shoot down any actual plane

[ebony princess]

Originally posted by 老北京正宗鸭血粉丝汤:

LMAO Your American trash plane just spent 30 mins on shooting down a balloon. I doubt it can shoot down any actual plane

it shot a missile and where did you get 30 minutes from exactly?

[Sonwig]

I just want to say that I do like American planes and I don't underestimate them. The F-22 is one of the most aesthetically pleasing aircraft ever made and American pilots are highly skilled and very well trained. But I think you Americans are highly underselling any plane that is foreign, for some reason I can't tell. For example the WS-15s are good engines. From all accounts, the J-20 is much better than block 20 F-22s, and decently better than block 30 F-22s. From what I can tell it is also better than the Su-57, though lacks the edge in manoeuvrability (I don't know about the new Russian export plane though).

This is why I think it should only be released with the F-35, because that is the level that this aircraft is on. Remember, it costs more than the F-35 (even though China is producing much more than America). But I am not saying it is flawless. The first possible weakness is that the stealth might not be great compared to the F-35. Well, I hear that the canards might actually be completely fine and that there are computer models that show it won't affect RCS too much, but the information is split. However, from what I can gather, I do think it loses to the F-35 on this front anyway. "The primary difference in stealth between the J-20 and the F-35 is that the J-20's stealth begins falling apart in the UHF-band, whereas the F-35's stealth begins falling apart in the VHF-band, meaning that the AEW&C has to work a lot harder in order to detect the F-35; the E-2D is UHF, whereas the KJ-600s and KJ-3000s are VHF". Secondly, it is completely optimised for air to air combat and lacks a large weapons bay. This is obviously a downside in many ways. The F-35 beats it in this section too because of its ground pounding capabilities, which might be a dealbraker in this game (people just like bombing bases in top tier from what I can gather). However, overall it also holds many, or even more, key advantages, both in real life and in game. IRL. The range on the J-20 is really long and it can supercruise (3,000 kilometre range). Of course, the F-35 cannot supercruise. This gives a massive tactical advantage to the J-20, which could engage F-35's wherever, and in much greater numbers too. Secondly, and relevant to the game, the J-20 is MUCH more manoeuvrable than the F-35. Chinese missiles are also very good. People cope very hard in this game about Chinese missiles being OP, when really that's just how good they are. I think overall the F-35 is more combat tested, whilst the J-20 has yet to prove itself (because Chinese foreign policy is much more peaceful). The main problem I see with the J-20 is that it is still early on in its life and isn't combat tested. Once the WS-15s are completely online, I think there will be models which iron out the faults and turn the GOOD aircraft into a great one. I heard that the tail fins can be removed which will improve the RCS of course. They will also improve the F-35 a lot, but I think its major range and manoeuvrability issues will be more difficult to fix than the problems that the Chinese have already solved on their already good plane.

Source: internet forum

[Ulvhamne]

Originally posted by Sonwig:

I just want to say that I do like American planes and I don't underestimate them. The F-22 is one of the most aesthetically pleasing aircraft ever made and American pilots are probably the most skilled in the world thanks to their training. But I think you Americans are highly underselling any plane that is foreign, for some reason I can't tell. For example the WS-15s are good engines. From all accounts, the J-20 is much better than block 20 F-22s, but only slightly better than block 30 F-22s. From what I can tell it is also better than the Su-57, though lacks the edge in manoeuvrability (I don't know about the new Russian export plane though).

This is why I think it should only be released with the F-35, because that is the level that this aircraft is on. Remember, it costs more than the F-35 (even though China is producing much more than America). But I am not saying it is flawless. In fact, it has many weaknesses. The first thing is that the stealth is not great compared to the F-35 (because of the canards). It loses to the F-35 on that front. Secondly, its armament is not good. It is completely optimised for air to air combat and lacks a large weapons bay. This is obviously a downside in many ways. However, overall it also holds key advantages, both in real life and in game. IRL, the range on the J-20 is really long and it can supercruise. If I remember correctly the range is 3,000 kilometres. Of course, the F-35 cannot supercruise. This gives a massive tactical advantage to the J-20, which could engage F-35's wherever, and in much greater numbers too. Secondly, and relevant to the game, the J-20 is MUCH more manoeuvrable than the F-35. In close range engagements the J-20 would win, but it might have a hard time hitting the F-35 with missiles. I think overall the F-35 is more combat tested, whilst the J-20 has yet to prove itself (because Chinese foreign policy is much more peaceful). The main problem I see with the J-20 is that it is still early on in its life and isn't combat tested. Once the WS-15s are completely online, I think there will be models which iron out the faults and turn the GOOD aircraft into a great one. They will do the same with the F-35, but I think its major range and manoeuvrability issues will be more difficult to fix than the problems that the Chinese have already solved on their already good plane.

Biggest problem is that pretty much all air combat is BVR now, supreme maneuverability only comes into play at ranges that only happen when everything else failed already.
Also, the US use stacked air combat, there will never be a fight with just F22 or F35, there sill be AC130, F16, F15, and all the others coming with them. There will also be AWACS out and about, making stealth less of an advantage. And if the US already doesn't have it, they probably soon will match the SAAB combined radar system where a wing of fighters can combine radar signal data to work as an ad hoc AWACS, making it easier to fight stealth as well.

We won't see how it plays out until we see an all out war with both sets of materiel and money behind them, but I do think that the US has an overall edge.

It's also important to note that the US (and the west at large) tends to undersell the capabilities of their toys, whereas Russia and China tends to oversell the capabilities of their toys.
The US even gives themselves a handicap during exercises with friendlies specifically so that when they are in a real situation, they can perform better than when training. Things like putting fuel tanks on the F35 to give it a larger RCS for instance.

[Labdog]

Originally posted by Chad Chungus:

its factually worse in every category.

Part of the reason I play China is because their vehicles have a reputation of being cheap garbage. Humiliatingly defeating fat yanks using inferior aliexpress bargain bin airplanes is great, especially when I also rub it in their face in chat afterwards.

Can't wait to see the "F22 Raptor is hungry, would you intercept me? Best fighter, number 1 American ingenuity" crowd getting massively skill gaped by J-20s, Su-57s and F-35s from other nations and then crying their ass in the chat despite flying the best plane in the game.