Bouncing constantly with my T-34s

[76561198051514398]

So I've got a T-34 85, a T-34 D5T and a T-34E at a 5.7 BR and I feel like I bounce off anything that isn't a hellcat or an armored car

Anytime I see a panther or tiger, an American heavy that isn't turned away from me it feels like an instant death sentence. Even the Sherman's I can't knock out unless they're exposing their side completely

[Toblm]

Stop shooting the bits you cannot pen.

[Global_Silver [r3j3c7z]]

Go for guns and try flanking or aim for flat armor, also most American tanks have weak lower plate armor near the tracks around 6.0

[Rinky]

this is bs especially for 85 gun. You oneshot all Shermans right in the middle of their armor and you easily pen tigers frontal panel. for panthers you definitely pen turret cheeks

[76561198051514398]

Originally posted by Rinky:

this is bs especially for 85 gun. You oneshot all Shermans right in the middle of their armor and you easily pen tigers frontal panel. for panthers you definitely pen turret cheeks

I should be able to, but I don't

In fact, I can't remember the last Sherman I front pen'd

[biomike]

Originally posted by 76561198051514398:

Originally posted by Rinky:

this is bs especially for 85 gun. You oneshot all Shermans right in the middle of their armor and you easily pen tigers frontal panel. for panthers you definitely pen turret cheeks

I should be able to, but I don't

In fact, I can't remember the last Sherman I front pen'd

What round are you shooting? Are you just firing APCR?

[Rinky]

Originally posted by 76561198051514398:

Originally posted by Rinky:

this is bs especially for 85 gun. You oneshot all Shermans right in the middle of their armor and you easily pen tigers frontal panel. for panthers you definitely pen turret cheeks

I should be able to, but I don't

In fact, I can't remember the last Sherman I front pen'd

you don't because you are a genius who can't even control his nickname. being bad at videogame is least of your problems

[76561198051514398]

Originally posted by biomike:

Originally posted by 76561198051514398:

I should be able to, but I don't

In fact, I can't remember the last Sherman I front pen'd

What round are you shooting? Are you just firing APCR?

I use the BR 365K shells

[Tovarish]

Originally posted by 76561198051514398:

Originally posted by biomike:

What round are you shooting? Are you just firing APCR?

I use the BR 365K shells

There's your problem - NEVER use BR365K.

BR-365K is a sharp nose penetrator, it performs horribly on angled armor - treat it like APCR-lite. Not having the soft metal ballistic cap on the shell nose causes it to not be able to normalize on angled armor and deflect/non-pen armor it otherwise should be able to penetrate.

BR-365, aka BR-365A is a blunt nose penetrator, it has a soft metal ballistic cap which allows the shell to dig into armor it hits and normalize the penetration angles, and the 365A has some absolutely goofy to penetrate angled armor.

Here is a really good forum topic discussing this, with diagrams and the works.
https://old-forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/524988-why-does-the-d-5t-ammo-have-vastly-different-effective-armor-thickness-ratings-for-its-pen-value/

[76561198051514398]

Originally posted by Tovarish:

Originally posted by 76561198051514398:

I use the BR 365K shells

There's your problem - NEVER use BR365K.

BR-365K is a sharp nose penetrator, it performs horribly on angled armor - treat it like APCR-lite. Not having the soft metal ballistic cap on the shell nose causes it to not be able to normalize on angled armor and deflect/non-pen armor it otherwise should be able to penetrate.

BR-365, aka BR-365A is a blunt nose penetrator, it has a soft metal ballistic cap which allows the shell to dig into armor it hits and normalize the penetration angles, and the 365A has some absolutely goofy to penetrate angled armor.

Here is a really good forum topic discussing this, with diagrams and the works.
https://old-forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/524988-why-does-the-d-5t-ammo-have-vastly-different-effective-armor-thickness-ratings-for-its-pen-value/

Thank you very much my friend, I appreciate the help

[French Cat]

Shoot the angles bro, not the flat plates

[Reaper King]

Judgding by this thread you are pretty new to this game. So let me give you a quick but important lesson on shell types.
1) ♥♥♥♥ APCR. It is utterly worthless. It does no damage and will bounce on everything. Take a few shells on a tank because there might be a weird moment when you have to pen a flat brick of steal. Never use it as your main shell whenever you can
2) On most shells the key thing your looking for is 2 fold. Performance at range + angeled performance. For example, say you have a shell that pens 1000 mils of steel at 5 meters, but drops of to 10 mils of pen at ranges of 6 meters or higher or drops to 20 mils of pen at anything even angeled by a degree. Then you have a shell with 140 mils of pen that can pen 140 mils at 60 degrees angeled and keeps it pen up to 2 km. Then you want that second shell.
3) Raw Penn is not the thing what matters most for shells. It's everything else. It's damage, range, velocity, pen, angled pen capabillites, and range drop off. Those are the values you are looking for. With good aiming all tanks can pen all others at every tier. Therefore you want to learn weakpoints and aimingand take shells which maximize the abillity for you to kill.

[76561198051514398]

Originally posted by Reaper King:

Judgding by this thread you are pretty new to this game. So let me give you a quick but important lesson on shell types.
1) ♥♥♥♥ APCR. It is utterly worthless. It does no damage and will bounce on everything. Take a few shells on a tank because there might be a weird moment when you have to pen a flat brick of steal. Never use it as your main shell whenever you can
2) On most shells the key thing your looking for is 2 fold. Performance at range + angeled performance. For example, say you have a shell that pens 1000 mils of steel at 5 meters, but drops of to 10 mils of pen at ranges of 6 meters or higher or drops to 20 mils of pen at anything even angeled by a degree. Then you have a shell with 140 mils of pen that can pen 140 mils at 60 degrees angeled and keeps it pen up to 2 km. Then you want that second shell.
3) Raw Penn is not the thing what matters most for shells. It's everything else. It's damage, range, velocity, pen, angled pen capabillites, and range drop off. Those are the values you are looking for. With good aiming all tanks can pen all others at every tier. Therefore you want to learn weakpoints and aimingand take shells which maximize the abillity for you to kill.

I've been playing since 2014, I'm just a filthy casual

I appreciate the help and information though

[Tovarish]

Originally posted by 76561198051514398:

Thank you very much my friend, I appreciate the help

Anytime. I was really frustrated with the D-5T's/ZiS 53's performance until a fellow bias enjoyer told be about this.

[dandinks]

85mm got nerfed years ago, it used to have around 165mm of pen with the a shell which let you easily kill anything, tigers, shermans, other t-34s if they have the premium, with around 30mm less penetration its a dice roll if you can pen tough targets and id rather have the american 76 any day of the week now

[French Cat]

Originally posted by dandinks:

85mm got nerfed years ago, it used to have around 165mm of pen with the a shell which let you easily kill anything, tigers, shermans, other t-34s if they have the premium, with around 30mm less penetration its a dice roll if you can pen tough targets and id rather have the american 76 any day of the week now

Idk man, having the power to pen any angle is way better than having a gun with a stabilizer. I have killed jumbos from the front by shooting their tracks and penning their side.