So a new T-72B3 is coming

[habanero]

Thoughts on how the armor will fare at toptier?

[B.D.Godde]

Publicado originalmente por ʟÆᴍꜱ cs.money:

Publicado originalmente por Hatsune Miku:

"Weakest" is debatable. I'd trade the extra velocity and post-pen damage for the 20-30mm of angled pen from the crappy British L26 round, I enjoy murdering people with the Mango, I can't say the same for Charm.

all the challengers have 5 sec reload compared to 1 tank being 6.5 and rest 7.1 and Chinese even being 7.5 so Britain doesnt need a new shell AND they get stock APFSDS

what you have listed are pretty much its ONLY advantages
so no, Britain is not fine and definitely needs a new shell

[kamikazi21358]

Publicado originalmente por ʟÆᴍꜱ cs.money:

Publicado originalmente por kamikazi21358:

Maybe, but the most modern T-90s, maybe T-72s I don’t remember and the T-14 received a new autoloader that can accommodate larger shells; the 3BM46 I think was the longest an APFSDS shell could fit into the MZ and AZ autoloaders of the Cold War T-64/72/80s, so they developed a new autoloader that could fit much longer APFSDS shells. So the performance should definably be way more than that of 3BM42M / 3BM46, combined with more modern components of course

honestly the new B3's should get 3BM46 imo because Mango is currently the weakest rank 4 apfsds in game right now so a upgrade is maybe not needed but alot of ppl would aprove, and give Mango as rank 1 APFSDS

The thing though, I think it has the older Autoloader so this doesn’t matter, but I am 90% sure the ammunition is incompatible with each other. So if it does have the older autoloader, which I think it does so what you say is probably going to be the result [something wants me to remember that the T-72B3M changed this(?)], so the best shell the T-72B3 based on this is the 3BM46.
Although, if I am wrong and it gets the newer autoloader, I think the inverse applies as well. So it would get the newer ammunition, because 3BM42/46 would be incapable of being fired from the tank.

Edit: I might be wrong but I am unsure, the newer autoloader might be able to fire shells like 3BM42M and 3BM46, but not entirely sure.

Publicado originalmente por ʟÆᴍꜱ cs.money:

Publicado originalmente por Hatsune Miku:

"Weakest" is debatable. I'd trade the extra velocity and post-pen damage for the 20-30mm of angled pen from the crappy British L26 round, I enjoy murdering people with the Mango, I can't say the same for Charm.

all the challengers have 5 sec reload compared to 1 tank being 6.5 and rest 7.1 and Chinese even being 7.5 so Britain doesnt need a new shell AND they get stock APFSDS

Although I pointed stock APFSDS as an advantage, I think performance should be exclusively based on the spaded vehicle.

Publicado originalmente por theGoddes:

what you have listed are pretty much its ONLY advantages
so no, Britain is not fine and definitely needs a new shell

It didn’t sound like an advantage to me.

But I mean, Britain always needs a new shell.

[Doctor Eggman]

Publicado originalmente por ʟÆᴍꜱ cs.money:

Publicado originalmente por Hatsune Miku:

"Weakest" is debatable. I'd trade the extra velocity and post-pen damage for the 20-30mm of angled pen from the crappy British L26 round, I enjoy murdering people with the Mango, I can't say the same for Charm.

all the challengers have 5 sec reload compared to 1 tank being 6.5 and rest 7.1 and Chinese even being 7.5 so Britain doesnt need a new shell AND they get stock APFSDS

The Leopards, Ariete, M1A2 / A1, Leclerc all have six second reload.

The CV90120 has a 5 second reload. The Type 90s have a 5 second reload. The Centauro MGS has a 5 second reload. The T-80U has the 6.5 second reload but honestly chances are if your turret gets penned through mantlet on the Challenger you're losing your loader, which means the T-80U will outspeed you. He also does not need an aced crew, and his reload will be just as fast as the Challenger 2 if the Challenger 2 does not have an aced crew.

You don't know what you're talking about and nothing you have said has disproved any of what I have said. I'm top tier in 5 nations, working towards the 6th... I do know what I'm talking about. In my experience the Challenger 2 is the weakest top tier MBT for winning games, the only thing it is good at is camping the entire match and fighting to the death; something that does not win matches.

Also this is all assuming an aced crew which many people don't have, a Leopard commander could easily have a faster reload than a Chally that doesn't have the right crew skills maxed out.

To be quite honest, there's no real tangible advantage to the "glorious Challenger 5 second reload" other than if you're lucky enough to somehow get the slow beast to flank the enemy and shoot them rapidly in the side, majority of the time the 5 second reload is just there to help correct the random bounces you'll get from using L26 lol.

[Strange Bread]

Publicado originalmente por Hatsune Miku:

Publicado originalmente por Shreek Wazowskii:

T-80U? Monster? Braindead gameplay? Which game are you playing m8? When I play this crap just everyone one-shots me in front, even from big distance. This trrashcan is good only for camping 2km away.

The same game you're playing dude, I don't have any trouble when I play the T-80U; its one of the easiest top tier tanks imo, aside from the "average" performance of the mango shell; though it has the best ballistics so tbh it feels just as good as some of the better shells available.

I played a game just yesterday on Wallonia or whatever it was and I singlehandedly prevented the enemy team from even being able to spawn, in the right hands its extremely capable.

And the drivers "weakspot" I don't really consider a weakspot since such a large percentage of the tank is covered in impenetrable armor (except for ariete rounds), weakspots for other tanks are enormous by comparison.

Naah. Abrams is waaay better for me than T-80U. My performance on Abrams is really better.

[Fwostylicious]

Publicado originalmente por Shreek Wazowskii:

Publicado originalmente por Hatsune Miku:

The same game you're playing dude, I don't have any trouble when I play the T-80U; its one of the easiest top tier tanks imo, aside from the "average" performance of the mango shell; though it has the best ballistics so tbh it feels just as good as some of the better shells available.

I played a game just yesterday on Wallonia or whatever it was and I singlehandedly prevented the enemy team from even being able to spawn, in the right hands its extremely capable.

And the drivers "weakspot" I don't really consider a weakspot since such a large percentage of the tank is covered in impenetrable armor (except for ariete rounds), weakspots for other tanks are enormous by comparison.

Naah. Abrams is waaay better for me than T-80U. My performance on Abrams is really better.

Im gonna do a Gajjin and do the following. Statisticly The T-80U Underperforms. When it really performs better than the Abrams. Just Look at Thunderskill and you can see :)

[Strange Bread]

Publicado originalmente por Fwostylicious:

Publicado originalmente por Shreek Wazowskii:

Naah. Abrams is waaay better for me than T-80U. My performance on Abrams is really better.

Im gonna do a Gajjin and do the following. Statisticly The T-80U Underperforms. When it really performs better than the Abrams. Just Look at Thunderskill and you can see :)

Someone said Germany suffers at top tier, look at Leopard 2A5's winrate and K/D ratio XD

[kamikazi21358]

There of course can be a statistical comparison between NATO and Warsaw tanks and really any tank, but often personal feeling on them might also just be a preference. Consider, they’re built for completely different reasons and feature completely different layouts, NATO tanks are completely set up differently from Warsaw tanks. Because one player loves the T-72 and T-80 doesn’t mean they’ll love the Leopard 2 and M1 equivalents, just as NATO players are not guaranteed to love soviet tanks.

[Ritterbrudder]

Publicado originalmente por habanero:

Thoughts on how the armor will fare at toptier?

imao it think it will do very good im waiting for T-14 Armata

[Læms]

Publicado originalmente por Hatsune Miku:

Publicado originalmente por ʟÆᴍꜱ cs.money:

all the challengers have 5 sec reload compared to 1 tank being 6.5 and rest 7.1 and Chinese even being 7.5 so Britain doesnt need a new shell AND they get stock APFSDS

The Leopards, Ariete, M1A2 / A1, Leclerc all have six second reload.

The CV90120 has a 5 second reload. The Type 90s have a 5 second reload. The Centauro MGS has a 5 second reload. The T-80U has the 6.5 second reload but honestly chances are if your turret gets penned through mantlet on the Challenger you're losing your loader, which means the T-80U will outspeed you. He also does not need an aced crew, and his reload will be just as fast as the Challenger 2 if the Challenger 2 does not have an aced crew.

You don't know what you're talking about and nothing you have said has disproved any of what I have said. I'm top tier in 5 nations, working towards the 6th... I do know what I'm talking about. In my experience the Challenger 2 is the weakest top tier MBT for winning games, the only thing it is good at is camping the entire match and fighting to the death; something that does not win matches.

Also this is all assuming an aced crew which many people don't have, a Leopard commander could easily have a faster reload than a Chally that doesn't have the right crew skills maxed out.

To be quite honest, there's no real tangible advantage to the "glorious Challenger 5 second reload" other than if you're lucky enough to somehow get the slow beast to flank the enemy and shoot them rapidly in the side, majority of the time the 5 second reload is just there to help correct the random bounces you'll get from using L26 lol.

oh wow you have unlocked 10.7 in 5 nations :o it proves nothing lol who knows maybe you are a whale and GE all the top tier tanks and you only have like 2k games played, like isaid it proves nothing that you have top tier for 5 nations like i have top tier for 8 nations and have played all the tanks in the game, sure my most played nation is USSR, my K/D is above avarage and my W/L is above average as well does that prove anything, well yes ofc it does because im a above avarage player

[Ritterbrudder]

Publicado originalmente por Hatsune Miku:

Publicado originalmente por ʟÆᴍꜱ cs.money:

all the challengers have 5 sec reload compared to 1 tank being 6.5 and rest 7.1 and Chinese even being 7.5 so Britain doesnt need a new shell AND they get stock APFSDS

The Leopards, Ariete, M1A2 / A1, Leclerc all have six second reload.

The CV90120 has a 5 second reload. The Type 90s have a 5 second reload. The Centauro MGS has a 5 second reload. The T-80U has the 6.5 second reload but honestly chances are if your turret gets penned through mantlet on the Challenger you're losing your loader, which means the T-80U will outspeed you. He also does not need an aced crew, and his reload will be just as fast as the Challenger 2 if the Challenger 2 does not have an aced crew.

You don't know what you're talking about and nothing you have said has disproved any of what I have said. I'm top tier in 5 nations, working towards the 6th... I do know what I'm talking about. In my experience the Challenger 2 is the weakest top tier MBT for winning games, the only thing it is good at is camping the entire match and fighting to the death; something that does not win matches.

Also this is all assuming an aced crew which many people don't have, a Leopard commander could easily have a faster reload than a Chally that doesn't have the right crew skills maxed out.

To be quite honest, there's no real tangible advantage to the "glorious Challenger 5 second reload" other than if you're lucky enough to somehow get the slow beast to flank the enemy and shoot them rapidly in the side, majority of the time the 5 second reload is just there to help correct the random bounces you'll get from using L26 lol.

challenger 5 does not exist only 1 and 2

[Kay]

Publicado originalmente por Ritterbrudder:

challenger 5 does not exist only 1 and 2

Is English not your first language?

Publicado originalmente por Hatsune Miku:

To be quite honest, there's no real tangible advantage to the "glorious Challenger 5 second reload"

Here, they're not talking about a "Challenger 5" they're talking about the challenger's "5 second reload" not being an advantage. You can tell, because if they were talking about a challenger 5 the sentence wouldn't make sense.

[Ritterbrudder]

Publicado originalmente por Ki'agh:

Publicado originalmente por Ritterbrudder:

challenger 5 does not exist only 1 and 2

Is English not your first language?

Publicado originalmente por Hatsune Miku:

To be quite honest, there's no real tangible advantage to the "glorious Challenger 5 second reload"

Here, they're not talking about a "Challenger 5" they're talking about the challenger's "5 second reload" not being an advantage. You can tell, because if they were talking about a challenger 5 the sentence wouldn't make sense.

lol my first language is my native language english is my second language plus i use british english not usa english

[Kay]

Publicado originalmente por Ritterbrudder:

lol my first language is my native language english is my second language plus i use british english not usa english

I'm British and use British English, though if it's not your first language that explains why you might miss something like that (English is a weird language)

[Doctor Eggman]

Publicado originalmente por ʟÆᴍꜱ cs.money:

Publicado originalmente por Hatsune Miku:

The Leopards, Ariete, M1A2 / A1, Leclerc all have six second reload.

The CV90120 has a 5 second reload. The Type 90s have a 5 second reload. The Centauro MGS has a 5 second reload. The T-80U has the 6.5 second reload but honestly chances are if your turret gets penned through mantlet on the Challenger you're losing your loader, which means the T-80U will outspeed you. He also does not need an aced crew, and his reload will be just as fast as the Challenger 2 if the Challenger 2 does not have an aced crew.

You don't know what you're talking about and nothing you have said has disproved any of what I have said. I'm top tier in 5 nations, working towards the 6th... I do know what I'm talking about. In my experience the Challenger 2 is the weakest top tier MBT for winning games, the only thing it is good at is camping the entire match and fighting to the death; something that does not win matches.

Also this is all assuming an aced crew which many people don't have, a Leopard commander could easily have a faster reload than a Chally that doesn't have the right crew skills maxed out.

To be quite honest, there's no real tangible advantage to the "glorious Challenger 5 second reload" other than if you're lucky enough to somehow get the slow beast to flank the enemy and shoot them rapidly in the side, majority of the time the 5 second reload is just there to help correct the random bounces you'll get from using L26 lol.

oh wow you have unlocked 10.7 in 5 nations :o it proves nothing lol who knows maybe you are a whale and GE all the top tier tanks and you only have like 2k games played, like isaid it proves nothing that you have top tier for 5 nations like i have top tier for 8 nations and have played all the tanks in the game, sure my most played nation is USSR, my K/D is above avarage and my W/L is above average as well does that prove anything, well yes ofc it does because im a above avarage player

If that's the case then you should know about the tank reload rates, since there's no way you'd get them wrong otherwise lol, we're talking about facts here not anecdotes.

And no, I'm sure many people have spent at least 4-5k hours getting to top tier in 5 or more nations, not GE'ing them. After all if a noob was to GE one nation they'd quickly find that they suck in top tier and stop spending money. Happens all the time, its why you see people so commonly with only one nation stacked out with vehicles and no others.

Half of the owners of the Eurocopter UHT usually just have Germany maxed out in vehicles / jets and they GE'd their way to the heli, it reflects in their stats. But go to other nations and they've played nothing. :P

Not a single person has managed to come forward and present a good reason why the T-80U makes the Russian Top tier weak other than "muh driver port weakspot", which isn't even that great a weak spot tbh. :/

[Læms]

Publicado originalmente por Hatsune Miku:

Publicado originalmente por ʟÆᴍꜱ cs.money:

oh wow you have unlocked 10.7 in 5 nations :o it proves nothing lol who knows maybe you are a whale and GE all the top tier tanks and you only have like 2k games played, like isaid it proves nothing that you have top tier for 5 nations like i have top tier for 8 nations and have played all the tanks in the game, sure my most played nation is USSR, my K/D is above avarage and my W/L is above average as well does that prove anything, well yes ofc it does because im a above avarage player

If that's the case then you should know about the tank reload rates, since there's no way you'd get them wrong otherwise lol, we're talking about facts here not anecdotes.

And no, I'm sure many people have spent at least 4-5k hours getting to top tier in 5 or more nations, not GE'ing them. After all if a noob was to GE one nation they'd quickly find that they suck in top tier and stop spending money. Happens all the time, its why you see people so commonly with only one nation stacked out with vehicles and no others.

Half of the owners of the Eurocopter UHT usually just have Germany maxed out in vehicles / jets and they GE'd their way to the heli, it reflects in their stats. But go to other nations and they've played nothing. :P

Not a single person has managed to come forward and present a good reason why the T-80U makes the Russian Top tier weak other than "muh driver port weakspot", which isn't even that great a weak spot tbh. :/

the reload speeds are correct, most 120's are 6 sec min except Britain with 5 sec, why the T-80U is bad is because it gets one shot from all angles, front, side and back, sure its a design flaw, its not really that good at anything, except maybe long range and most of the time you will get one shot anyway because of the drivers port that is just huge, at least the challenger 2 can hull down and be affective, then there is turret rotation speed, that all nato tanks are better at, gun elevation speed is better, (challengers is little better than the T tanks), now the speed, Challenger isnt fast yes but its meant to not be fast, its a hull down tank or support tank. staying at range etc (sorry if its hard to read)