Germany suffer at 10.7 when the leo a6+ or leo a7

[cat]

when please?

[VeeVee]

Publicado originalmente por Sla the $$$ maker:

Publicado originalmente por Shreek Wazowskii:

Are you joking? Leopard 2A5 is the best rank 7 MBT right now, it's beteer than both M1A2 and T-80U. Leopard 2A5 just has no serious disadvantages: Abrams has weak turret ring, T-80U has no commander's thermal, but it has very slow aiming.

no it's not, shells can dig into the side armor, lighting the tank on fire and destroying the engine, theres no armor on the lower front plate and the ammo is stored next to the driver, the mantlet can be penned, and the Arrow shaped front composite screen is a shot trap.

Also the composite armour can be blown off, making it have the same armour as the 2A4.

[cat]

Publicado originalmente por Moglox:

Publicado originalmente por Basil:

5 years on this crap game i have better skills than you

we don't care if you have skill or not

then stop saying skills

[Strange Bread]

Publicado originalmente por Blackwatch:

Publicado originalmente por Sla the $$$ maker:

no it's not, shells can dig into the side armor, lighting the tank on fire and destroying the engine, theres no armor on the lower front plate and the ammo is stored next to the driver, the mantlet can be penned, and the Arrow shaped front composite screen is a shot trap.

Also the composite armour can be blown off, making it have the same armour as the 2A4.

Even without this extra composite blocks, A5 has much better armour than A4, look at the hull, at least.

[Strange Bread]

Publicado originalmente por Basil:

Publicado originalmente por Shreek Wazowskii:

Lol, other rank 7 MBTs have the same disadvantages, or have no armour in hull at all. Lower hull plate can be easilly hidden behind some rock aor other thing. Leopard 2A5 has the smallest gun mantlet at rank 7 - it's really hard to hit, while other MBTs have much bigger ones with worse armour. So in armour Leopard 2A5 has only 2 weakspots in front - lower hull plate (easy to hide) and gun mantlet (hard to hit), while other MBTs have much more of them. You look like haven't played other rank 7 MBTs, such as M1A2, T-80U and other.
P.S. I always laugh on german mainers who asks for invincible vehicles, having already the best tanks, becouse they usually have the lowest skill along players in the game XD.

5 years on this crap game i have better skills than you

You checked my profile? kek. You still haven't answered, where Leopard 2A5 is much worse than M1A2 or T-80U. (Spoiler: nowhere)

[VeeVee]

Publicado originalmente por Shreek Wazowskii:

Publicado originalmente por Blackwatch:

Also the composite armour can be blown off, making it have the same armour as the 2A4.

Even without this extra composite blocks, A5 has much better armour than A4, look at the hull, at least.

The hull armour is basically the same between the two, except for the addition of a 14mm plate towards the top which isn't really relevant as the A5 and the A4 can be penned frontally in the hull almost anywhere, even the UFP in most places, by most APFSDS.
It has about 50mm of additional sloped armour on the middle-front side of the turret and the skirts are 5mms thicker, but that's about it, underneath the composite armour on the turret it has the same turret face and underlying composites that the A4 has.

[Blamite Delight]

Publicado originalmente por Shreek Wazowskii:

Publicado originalmente por Sla the $$$ maker:

no it's not, shells can dig into the side armor, lighting the tank on fire and destroying the engine, theres no armor on the lower front plate and the ammo is stored next to the driver, the mantlet can be penned, and the Arrow shaped front composite screen is a shot trap.

Lol, other rank 7 MBTs have the same disadvantages, or have no armour in hull at all. Lower hull plate can be easilly hidden behind some rock aor other thing. Leopard 2A5 has the smallest gun mantlet at rank 7 - it's really hard to hit, while other MBTs have much bigger ones with worse armour. So in armour Leopard 2A5 has only 2 weakspots in front - lower hull plate (easy to hide) and gun mantlet (hard to hit), while other MBTs have much more of them. You look like haven't played other rank 7 MBTs, such as M1A2, T-80U and other.
P.S. I always laugh on german mainers who asks for invincible vehicles, having already the best tanks, becouse they usually have the lowest skill along players in the game XD.

u huh sure thing toughguy

[Kozi]

Publicado originalmente por Blackwatch:

Publicado originalmente por Shreek Wazowskii:

Even without this extra composite blocks, A5 has much better armour than A4, look at the hull, at least.

The hull armour is basically the same between the two, except for the addition of a 14mm plate towards the top which isn't really relevant as the A5 and the A4 can be penned frontally in the hull almost anywhere, even the UFP in most places, by most APFSDS.
It has about 50mm of additional sloped armour on the middle-front side of the turret and the skirts are 5mms thicker, but that's about it, underneath the composite armour on the turret it has the same turret face and underlying composites that the A4 has.

Oh boy how wrong you are.

The composite armour in the hull is WAY better on the 2A5 than the 2A4.
You are hugely underestimating the hull armour on the 2A5, rounds like he mango and the L26 which are among the worst top tier APFSFS rounds have big troubles going through it.
2A5 also has better heat protection in the hull, a good example would be the tandem ATGM on the BMP-3, it can easily slice through the hull of an 2A4 but has absolute no chance of going through the 2A5.

The turret armour without the arrowhead is ALSO NOT THE SAME. The turret of the 2A5 without arrowhead is basically a 2A4 C, which still can take any APFSDS in the game, I believe even the Arietes.

Stop pretending that the 2A5 is bad when it clearly isn’t, it along with the Strv 122 are the best MBTs by far.

If they were as bad as you imply I wouldn’t be sitting with a 4.0KD and a 75% wr with it while I struggle to keep a 60% wr in the T80U and not even a 2.0 kd.

[cat]

Publicado originalmente por Kozarsson:

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The hull armour is basically the same between the two, except for the addition of a 14mm plate towards the top which isn't really relevant as the A5 and the A4 can be penned frontally in the hull almost anywhere, even the UFP in most places, by most APFSDS.
It has about 50mm of additional sloped armour on the middle-front side of the turret and the skirts are 5mms thicker, but that's about it, underneath the composite armour on the turret it has the same turret face and underlying composites that the A4 has.

Oh boy how wrong you are.

The composite armour in the hull is WAY better on the 2A5 than the 2A4.
You are hugely underestimating the hull armour on the 2A5, rounds like he mango and the L26 which are among the worst top tier APFSFS rounds have big troubles going through it.
2A5 also has better heat protection in the hull, a good example would be the tandem ATGM on the BMP-3, it can easily slice through the hull of an 2A4 but has absolute no chance of going through the 2A5.

The turret armour without the arrowhead is ALSO NOT THE SAME. The turret of the 2A5 without arrowhead is basically a 2A4 C, which still can take any APFSDS in the game, I believe even the Arietes.

Stop pretending that the 2A5 is bad when it clearly isn’t, it along with the Strv 122 are the best MBTs by far.

If they were as bad as you imply I wouldn’t be sitting with a 4.0KD and a 75% wr with it while I struggle to keep a 60% wr in the T80U and not even a 2.0 kd.

i don t care about your KD or you play or of pro or not am asking when the will add these tanks

[Doctor Eggman]

Publicado originalmente por Basil:

Publicado originalmente por Kozarsson:

Oh boy how wrong you are.

The composite armour in the hull is WAY better on the 2A5 than the 2A4.
You are hugely underestimating the hull armour on the 2A5, rounds like he mango and the L26 which are among the worst top tier APFSFS rounds have big troubles going through it.
2A5 also has better heat protection in the hull, a good example would be the tandem ATGM on the BMP-3, it can easily slice through the hull of an 2A4 but has absolute no chance of going through the 2A5.

The turret armour without the arrowhead is ALSO NOT THE SAME. The turret of the 2A5 without arrowhead is basically a 2A4 C, which still can take any APFSDS in the game, I believe even the Arietes.

Stop pretending that the 2A5 is bad when it clearly isn’t, it along with the Strv 122 are the best MBTs by far.

If they were as bad as you imply I wouldn’t be sitting with a 4.0KD and a 75% wr with it while I struggle to keep a 60% wr in the T80U and not even a 2.0 kd.

i don t care about your KD or you play or of pro or not am asking when the will add these tanks

Never I hope because Germany doesn't deserve them right now. The STRV122 was already a stupid addition as it is.

[VeeVee]

Publicado originalmente por Kozarsson:

Publicado originalmente por Blackwatch:

The hull armour is basically the same between the two, except for the addition of a 14mm plate towards the top which isn't really relevant as the A5 and the A4 can be penned frontally in the hull almost anywhere, even the UFP in most places, by most APFSDS.
It has about 50mm of additional sloped armour on the middle-front side of the turret and the skirts are 5mms thicker, but that's about it, underneath the composite armour on the turret it has the same turret face and underlying composites that the A4 has.

Oh boy how wrong you are.

The composite armour in the hull is WAY better on the 2A5 than the 2A4.
You are hugely underestimating the hull armour on the 2A5, rounds like he mango and the L26 which are among the worst top tier APFSFS rounds have big troubles going through it.
2A5 also has better heat protection in the hull, a good example would be the tandem ATGM on the BMP-3, it can easily slice through the hull of an 2A4 but has absolute no chance of going through the 2A5.

The turret armour without the arrowhead is ALSO NOT THE SAME. The turret of the 2A5 without arrowhead is basically a 2A4 C, which still can take any APFSDS in the game, I believe even the Arietes.

Stop pretending that the 2A5 is bad when it clearly isn’t, it along with the Strv 122 are the best MBTs by far.

If they were as bad as you imply I wouldn’t be sitting with a 4.0KD and a 75% wr with it while I struggle to keep a 60% wr in the T80U and not even a 2.0 kd.

Where exactly did I say it was a bad tank?, I think both the 2A4 and the 2A5 are pretty good tanks, just not the OP monsters everyone acts like they are, they've got their ups and downs like every other tank.
The composites in the hull according to the armour protection analysis are the same, and in my experience they get penned by the same things (Like the HSTV-L).
Also go look in the protection analysis, the tandem ATGM can pen the 2A5's hull
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471164416864419853/744347351400841266/20200816100930_1.jpg
(It's only low possibility there as it's pretty much the centre and the thickest point of the hull, the rest is green chance to pen)
As for the turret, once again, armour protection analysis says its the same underneath the composite armour 35mm high hardness rolled armour, 585mm external composite armour with NERA elements and 45mm rolled homogenous armour. Which is good armour, it's just that the additional composite armour feels like it acts like ERA when it's actually a massive chunk of addon armour that really shouldn't fall off after a couple hits, it'd be like half the turret of the Abrams just falling off, just seems like a really poor attempt at implementing armour fatigue. (Which as a mechanic I'd welcome being added if done correctly)

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Publicado originalmente por Blackwatch:

Publicado originalmente por Kozarsson:

Oh boy how wrong you are.

The composite armour in the hull is WAY better on the 2A5 than the 2A4.
You are hugely underestimating the hull armour on the 2A5, rounds like he mango and the L26 which are among the worst top tier APFSFS rounds have big troubles going through it.
2A5 also has better heat protection in the hull, a good example would be the tandem ATGM on the BMP-3, it can easily slice through the hull of an 2A4 but has absolute no chance of going through the 2A5.

The turret armour without the arrowhead is ALSO NOT THE SAME. The turret of the 2A5 without arrowhead is basically a 2A4 C, which still can take any APFSDS in the game, I believe even the Arietes.

Stop pretending that the 2A5 is bad when it clearly isn’t, it along with the Strv 122 are the best MBTs by far.

If they were as bad as you imply I wouldn’t be sitting with a 4.0KD and a 75% wr with it while I struggle to keep a 60% wr in the T80U and not even a 2.0 kd.

Where exactly did I say it was a bad tank?, I think both the 2A4 and the 2A5 are pretty good tanks, just not the OP monsters everyone acts like they are, they've got their ups and downs like every other tank.
The composites in the hull according to the armour protection analysis are the same, and in my experience they get penned by the same things (Like the HSTV-L).
Also go look in the protection analysis, the tandem ATGM can pen the 2A5's hull
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471164416864419853/744347351400841266/20200816100930_1.jpg
(It's only low possibility there as it's pretty much the centre and the thickest point of the hull, the rest is green chance to pen)
As for the turret, once again, armour protection analysis says its the same underneath the composite armour 35mm high hardness rolled armour, 585mm external composite armour with NERA elements and 45mm rolled homogenous armour. Which is good armour, it's just that the additional composite armour feels like it acts like ERA when it's actually a massive chunk of addon armour that really shouldn't fall off after a couple hits, it'd be like half the turret of the Abrams just falling off, just seems like a really poor attempt at implementing armour fatigue. (Which as a mechanic I'd welcome being added if done correctly)

will read more in warthunder Page next 2 updates after they add the T90

[Strange Bread]

So, you say A4 and A5 have the same armour in hull? Tell me then why 3BM22 pens A4's hull well, but can't do anything to A5's hull.

[VeeVee]

Publicado originalmente por Shreek Wazowskii:

So, you say A4 and A5 have the same armour in hull? Tell me then why 3BM22 pens A4's hull well, but can't do anything to A5's hull.

It can though?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471164416864419853/744439752970993784/20200816161408_1.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471164416864419853/744439761791615116/20200816161649_1.jpg
The centre apparently has 100mm-150mm extra protection somehow though, while showing the same armour as the 2A4 in the X-ray view (The only difference being the 2A4s one is seperated into 2 sections, upper and lower, while the 2A5 has it in one single block) and armour mouseover , which means Gaijin has ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up somewhere.

[B.D.Godde]

Publicado originalmente por Blackwatch:

Gaijin has ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up somewhere.

welcome to war thunder
I don't know what else to say really
every vehicle in the game is broken, especially top tier

[Strange Bread]

Publicado originalmente por Blackwatch:

Publicado originalmente por Shreek Wazowskii:

So, you say A4 and A5 have the same armour in hull? Tell me then why 3BM22 pens A4's hull well, but can't do anything to A5's hull.

It can though?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471164416864419853/744439752970993784/20200816161408_1.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471164416864419853/744439761791615116/20200816161649_1.jpg
The centre apparently has 100mm-150mm extra protection somehow though, while showing the same armour as the 2A4 in the X-ray view (The only difference being the 2A4s one is seperated into 2 sections, upper and lower, while the 2A5 has it in one single block) and armour mouseover , which means Gaijin has ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up somewhere.

Every time I shoot there it's ricochet or no damage, try to check a bit closer to down - it's impossible to pen