why is the IS-2 and T34/85 so OP?

[12Spartan]

I get one shoted by these tanks so much OP I play realistic mode and seems to happen all the time but they bounce most shots..
Russian tanks very OP in this game

[Mexiguy]

oh look, another mad cus bad thread

[t i n y ツ]

Don't listen to the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who say there's nothing wrong and it's only a L2P issue. Sure, calling everything "Bias" is wrong as well, I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle.

[Foxtrot39]

Well IS-2 has a 122mm gun wich is as potent as the long 8.8cm in term of pen, just that since its bigger it kills easier with the filler it has

BTW, T34-85 and IS-2 were made to kill tiger

For the IS-2 shoot the nearly vertical part of the chassis and it will kill the crew, the T-34 don't shoot the hatches, those are twice thicker than the armor of the tank

[panzertek CS-BL.com]

Because of RNG armor, t-34 should be eaten alive when shot at, yet they can bounce even at close quarters the 8.8, 17 pounders and 75mm.

[Foxtrot39]

Originally posted by teki:

Because of RNG armor, t-34 should be eaten alive when shot at, yet they can bounce even at close quarters the 8.8, 17 pounders and 75mm.

T34-85 deflected a 128mm twice at point blanck range already

[t i n y ツ]

Originally posted by teki:

Because of RNG armor, t-34 should be eaten alive when shot at, yet they can bounce even at close quarters the 8.8, 17 pounders and 75mm.

Something to add about the armor: The german panzer's usually had face hardened armor on some of the parts of the tank, like the panther d's turret mantle. This would make it harder to penetrate for the russian tanks with ballistic capped shells. This of course, they didn't add to the game.

[AriDeer]

I can one shot a panzer 4 h in a stuart, is the stuart op or is this a game about not exposing yourself? you decide.

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

Originally posted by Nordland:

Don't listen to the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who say there's nothing wrong and it's only a L2P issue. Sure, calling everything "Bias" is wrong as well, I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle.

+1 very well put.

[MoonPrune]

Nordland said it, but I will just add that they are potent, extremely potent tanks. There are some issues with the T-34-85 (such as RNG armour) but it is otherwise a case of fire at the front armour and hope RNGesus is on your side. I don't believe it's OP, just have to make sure you get a shot off first like in most engagements.

That being said, a T-34-85 derped a APHE shell into the side of my Conquerer a day or two ago at a 10 degree angle, and the shell went through a 5mm box on the side and then straight on through the 50mm armour... an issue which needs to be fixed, I think the game discounted my side armour because the box was penetrated.

[Ashtoreth]

Honestly Nordland is right, this so called "bias" is non-existant i've played to the end of Germany, the Soviet Union, rank IV in Britain and America and ive never seen this bias. But that doesn't mean there isn't inbalance, of course there is inbalance. Even games that can completely change how powerful/weak their game's vehicles/weapons/characters suffer from inbalance though. But that doesn't mean Gaijin can't do anything about it, at this point Gaijin can do so many things to lessen and reduce inbalance but they haven't.

[Pak0tac]

Originally posted by Nordland:

Originally posted by teki:

Because of RNG armor, t-34 should be eaten alive when shot at, yet they can bounce even at close quarters the 8.8, 17 pounders and 75mm.

Something to add about the armor: The german panzer's usually had face hardened armor on some of the parts of the tank, like the panther d's turret mantle. This would make it harder to penetrate for the russian tanks with ballistic capped shells. This of course, they didn't add to the game.

few things....
1. to the other dude: IS1 was designed to counter tigers, after the soviets captured a Tiger1 they developed the IS1 to counter it, which it did.

2. during the late 1944s germany ran out of a needed component for the steel they used on tanks, as a result the steel was weakend, a 200mm german steel plate was in fact worse then a normal 200mm armor plating. also the german steel had a problem when been hit, the inner side of the armor would of shatter like glass and the fragments could kill the crew of the tank, the Tiger 2 in fact had weakend steel plating and all the tanks that came after it

3. the T34 had always the same hull plating during the service, the only armor that changed was the turret armor, the 85mm turret had in fact a very thick and highly effective armor

[Grognard]

Wow. Because the JS2 is better armored frontally than a tiger, and the hul does have some slope. While the 122 doesn't have a lot of velocity, it's shell is the size of a small building. A building full of HE. I'm approaching 60, been wargaming almost 50 of that. I've never read or played anything that portrayed the JS as anything other than a beast! Want to kill it? It does have weaknesses. After it fires, the tanks crew goes off for lunch waiting for the reload! A PZ IIIM can pen the turret front close up. Which means most rank two-three can do it. The IIIM can fire five rounds waiting for Mr. 122 to reload. You can also pen his side armor. If you sit still in front of him he WILL BREAK YOUR TANK! Geez...I mean really.

[12Spartan]

IS 2 isa so OP and T34 they just bounce shells for fun..
I used to play WOT before i found this and liked it as it was more real. But the russian Tanks are to OP. I can shoot a 88mm or a 75mm shell direct hull turret most of the time bounces. even at point blank range then i get killed in one shot even though i fired first

[t i n y ツ]

Originally posted by -=LumiCommander=-:

few things....
1. to the other dude: IS1 was designed to counter tigers, after the soviets captured a Tiger1 they developed the IS1 to counter it, which it did.

2. during the late 1944s germany ran out of a needed component for the steel they used on tanks, as a result the steel was weakend, a 200mm german steel plate was in fact worse then a normal 200mm armor plating. also the german steel had a problem when been hit, the inner side of the armor would of shatter like glass and the fragments could kill the crew of the tank, the Tiger 2 in fact had weakend steel plating and all the tanks that came after it

3. the T34 had always the same hull plating during the service, the only armor that changed was the turret armor, the 85mm turret had in fact a very thick and highly effective armor

Yeah, that's a bit funny. I'm not sure how it is today but the Tiger II is the only tank that's got a 10% penalty for it's low quality armor. In a way, the same should apply to the T34 and most russian tanks.

To quote "Review of Soviet Ordnance Metallurgy"

"The armor components of the T-34 tank, with the exception of the bow casting which was unheat-treated, were heat-treated to very high hardnesses (430-500 Brinell), probably in an attempt to secure maximum resistance to penetration by certain classes of armor-piercing projectiles even at the expense of structural integrity under ballistic attack.

Shallow penetration, poor fusion, severe undercutting, porosity, and cracking was observed in most of the welds and probably resulted from improper manipulation of electrodes which might not have had suitable operating characteristics….. These obvious defects, together with low strength and pour metallurgical structure of ferritic weld deposits, indicate that the welded joints would have poor resistance to severe shock."



To add, It would be historically accurate if the Tiger 1 would get it's APCR ammo.
http://www.wwiiequipment.com/pencalc/Generated%5C568.jpg?566291

Compared to today..
http://www.wwiiequipment.com/pencalc/Generated%5C94.jpg?714857

[Azi]

IS-2 SO OP THAT STUG G ONCE KILLED LOADER AND GUNNER AND ♥♥♥♥♥♥ MY TURRET RING!

T-34-85 SO OP THAT TIGER OR PANTHER CAN'T KILL IT!... NOT EVEN PZ F2!