is the t54 better then the leopard?

[Sir Palps]

First let me say that I have top tier tanks for both Germany and Russia so I know how both of them do and how well they preform both in font and behind the gun. I do believe that Russia has a distinct advantage in the game, at least in terms of tanks. Sure the leopard has a fast firing gun and a lot of mobility, but that is not always enough. I don't think that the Russian tanks in the game have hidden stats that make their ammo not explode, that's ridiculous. However, I do know that a leopard and t54 are unmatched. To start out with, the ammo... How is it fair that the leopards standard ammo has no explosives but the t54 does? Yes they both have hefs, but it takes a really long time to get that with premium, taking forever without it. So to start out the t54 can one hit the leopard with NO PROBLEM what so ever, it has no armor and the t54 shot is really really effective. The leopard on the other hand can very rarely do the same, I've had to shoot those pesky things 5 times before until I hit all the crew, and it's not that I don't know where to aim, it's that there is basically no shrapnel. So my point is YOU CAN NOT JUDGE HOW OP OR BAD A TANK IS WHEN IT IS JUST SHOOTING UNSEPECTING BUFFALO CROSSING AN OPEN FIRLD. what determines how good a tank is is when it is thrown in a tricky situation, a leopard and a t54 come around a corner and see each other simultaneously, the leopard shoots first, sure it penetrates because it has an ass load of penetration. But chances of the player that is extremely rushed and anxious is high, they are not going to take the time to hit the absolute best spot. He will probably kill the driver or commander, then..BAM. The t54 shoots anywhere on the leopard and it's dead, does not matter where because it has explosive shot. Another point if like to make is that the t54 has a gun that is just as good as the leopard ( yes slightly less accurate and slightly more loading time, for the most part the same) AND armor. Anybody not shooting hefs shells at a moving t54 will most likely not penetrate it because it has very good front armor. On the other hand you could be shooting a thirty seven millimeter gun and penetrate a moving leopard anywhere. So if you read to this point I hope you understand why I think the leopard is not as good as the t54.most peopl, when arguing the t54 is not op, do not take into account that not everyone has the best ammo, a lot of people don't play that much. And also that not everyone is amazing, even if they made it to tier 5 in the game. Not knowing the best place to shoot is a problem that leopard drivers alone have, not t54 drivers. This is a caparison between just two tanks so don't bring up others. My point is not everyone is amazing, the leopard has such a higher skill gap to master if you want to be good in it. Opposed to a nub getting into a t54 and being able to do well, shooting a lot of the tanks anywhere. Finally, I'd like to say this is from the perspective of arcade. The vast majority of people play arcade rather then realistic, and I believe a more accurate comparison of the vehicles is made in this rather then realistic. When you get down to it, it's not what a tank can do, it's what it does in games. If there was a tank that could one hit anything without seeing it, but it took hundreds of hours mastering the machine to be able to do that, would it be considered op? No, because you would never get killed by it.

[Katokevin]

Sorry, but I can't even read this wall of words. If you space it out, I would love to read it.

[Eftwyrd]

tldr, try again op

[DNAKMAMES]

First let me say that I have top tier tanks for both Germany and Russia so I know how both of them do and how well they preform both in font and behind the gun. I do believe that Russia has a distinct advantage in the game, at least in terms of tanks.

Sure the leopard has a fast firing gun and a lot of mobility, but that is not always enough. I don't think that the Russian tanks in the game have hidden stats that make their ammo not explode, that's ridiculous. However, I do know that a leopard and t54 are unmatched. To start out with, the ammo... How is it fair that the leopards standard ammo has no explosives but the t54 does? Yes they both have hefs, but it takes a really long time to get that with premium, taking forever without it. So to start out the t54 can one hit the leopard with NO PROBLEM what so ever, it has no armor and the t54 shot is really really effective.

The leopard on the other hand can very rarely do the same, I've had to shoot those pesky things 5 times before until I hit all the crew, and it's not that I don't know where to aim, it's that there is basically no shrapnel. So my point is YOU CAN NOT JUDGE HOW OP OR BAD A TANK IS WHEN IT IS JUST SHOOTING UNSEPECTING BUFFALO CROSSING AN OPEN FIRLD.

What determines how good a tank is is when it is thrown in a tricky situation, a leopard and a t54 come around a corner and see each other simultaneously, the leopard shoots first, sure it penetrates because it has an ♥♥♥ load of penetration. But chances of the player that is extremely rushed and anxious is high, they are not going to take the time to hit the absolute best spot. He will probably kill the driver or commander, then..BAM. The t54 shoots anywhere on the leopard and it's dead, does not matter where because it has explosive shot.

Another point if like to make is that the t54 has a gun that is just as good as the leopard ( yes slightly less accurate and slightly more loading time, for the most part the same) AND armor. Anybody not shooting hefs shells at a moving t54 will most likely not penetrate it because it has very good front armor. On the other hand you could be shooting a thirty seven millimeter gun and penetrate a moving leopard anywhere.

So if you read to this point I hope you understand why I think the leopard is not as good as the t54.most people, when arguing the t54 is not op, do not take into account that not everyone has the best ammo, a lot of people don't play that much. And also that not everyone is amazing, even if they made it to tier 5 in the game. Not knowing the best place to shoot is a problem that leopard drivers alone have, not t54 drivers.

This is a caparison between just two tanks so don't bring up others. My point is not everyone is amazing, the leopard has such a higher skill gap to master if you want to be good in it. Opposed to a nub getting into a t54 and being able to do well, shooting a lot of the tanks anywhere.

Finally, I'd like to say this is from the perspective of arcade. The vast majority of people play arcade rather then realistic, and I believe a more accurate comparison of the vehicles is made in this rather then realistic. When you get down to it, it's not what a tank can do, it's what it does in games. If there was a tank that could one hit anything without seeing it, but it took hundreds of hours mastering the machine to be able to do that, would it be considered op? No, because you would never get killed by it.

There you go sekrit

[[Giver Of The Beans]]

Trump could use your wall to make america great again

[MDCCC]

Leop = sniper, TD, and brawler (if you like the high risk of getting killed but also in return getting more kills). Leop has a great gun and reload, but once you get you're loader hit and you're close to the enemy....well hope his shot misses or dose not kill you.
Leop could deflect some incoming rounds but it dose not always happen, at least for me.

T54 = Brawler, and TD. Don't see it much as a sniper. Good armor but not as fast as a leop, but you can atleast take more hits then a leop.

These are my views, they might not be accurate, atleast for the T54.

[Daymo]

I think they are both blanced.

[Foxtrot39]

引用自 Sекяiт Яussiаи Dокuмеитs☭：

Sorry, but I can't even read this wall of words. If you space it out, I would love to read it.

Agree, my eyes hurt a little due to the bad screen i am using atm after reading the post

Back on topic

You say the leo can't OS a T-54, HESH round are just good at this when facing one with exposed front hull, but the way HESH are made in game aren't making them reliable :

-Impact shell that bounce way to often => game consider its a AP and use the AP characteristics instead of HE with 145mm pen slaped into the coding that would at least make it as effective as it should be even if the shell actually never pen the armor

-The 4Kg filler aren't even counting, 128mm HE wich has less filler can OS any AA yet the HESH round wich is just a HE with a abysmall fuse on it NEVER destroy a tank due its filler

Sure the leo mobility is questionable, its about as good or less than a T-54 but has a better turret traverse

[biboloxo]

People who think the T-54 is better than the Leopard are people who have serious L2P issues.

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

i dont have the leopard,but i have always assumed that its playstyle would be similar to something like M18,PT-76,M41 you know, no armor and good gun. and anyone the leopard faces can kill him with 1 shot, T-54 on the otherhand master at bouncing shells of his armor

[Azi]

Leopard is way better than T-54:
-RNGesus has made the sloped holy and so, very hard to pierce
-Better mobility
-Better gun (Brit's royal ordenance 10.5cm)
-While T-54 has a good turret shape, T-10M is better shaped and with experienced crew can be a medium tank...

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

speaking of armor, the leopard has none,the T-54s plenty, gunwise, leo comes out on top.
here is a guide mentioning how to T-54 47 vs various targets,the leopard is mentioned as one of those target,have a read.
edit, the thread was deleted ;) but what he basically said,when in a T-54 47 and coming up against a leo, just shoot anywhere,no armor anyways
and T-54 have troll armor that requires the enemy to know the weakspots,exploit this using your mobility.

[Yaya]

LoL? Are you playing arcade? Because The Leopard1 Is the better by a Mile LOL Just ask Thunder League Pro players The leopard1 has everything you need at T5 RB
Mobility
Maneuverability
Depression
Faster Reload than T54 and M60
One hell of a gun That 1 shots with well placed shots
Its Armor is very trollish http://i.imgur.com/9mXpCeV.gif

Is Just an all around better Tank I gave up my T10M for The Leo1 And even have him Aced

[biboloxo]

引用自 NAFdeadmike：

speaking of armor, the leopard has none,the T-54s plenty, gunwise, leo comes out on top.
here is a guide mentioning how to T-54 47 vs various targets,the leopard is mentioned as one of those target,have a read.
edit, the thread was deleted ;) but what he basically said,when in a T-54 47 and coming up against a leo, just shoot anywhere,no armor anyways
and T-54 have troll armor that requires the enemy to know the weakspots,exploit this using your mobility.

Don't pretend like you know about the Leopard when you know nothing at all.

[Foxtrot39]

Do you even know if he has the tank or not?

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

引用自 biboloxo：

引用自 NAFdeadmike：

speaking of armor, the leopard has none,the T-54s plenty, gunwise, leo comes out on top.
here is a guide mentioning how to T-54 47 vs various targets,the leopard is mentioned as one of those target,have a read.
edit, the thread was deleted ;) but what he basically said,when in a T-54 47 and coming up against a leo, just shoot anywhere,no armor anyways
and T-54 have troll armor that requires the enemy to know the weakspots,exploit this using your mobility.

Don't pretend like you know about the Leopard when you know nothing at all.

i dont,look at the stats cards on the tanks ingame,all armor values are there.and penetration values too,all there.the guide i reffered to wasnt posted by me, but someone who drives both tanks.