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Blamite Delight 2016 年 2 月 13 日 下午 8:43
Did they nerf the german 20mm on aircraft?
Am I missing something? did they nerf it recently or something? earlier on I ripped planes to shreds with the 20 mm but now it just..doesn't do anything. Hell even the air belts fail to register or do serious damage to enemy planes. The 20mm on the Bf109 F-4 tropical just doesnt kill for some reason. Plus ive had weird occurences with the Do 217 E-2's nose cannon and rarely the Fw 190 A-4 quad 20mm of doom not registering or doing significant damage.
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putmer 2016 年 2 月 13 日 下午 9:26 
as odd as it is i have been swearing about this to myself for along time now and about 50'cals.
IMO WT needs a rework on airplane damage models and weapons :P
Krisu 2016 年 2 月 13 日 下午 9:38 
I don't have that many hours in this game but I can guarantee you the damage model is messed up. 20mms don't seem to phase my enemy after several hits and .50 seems to graze my wing and totally ♥♥♥♥ the airflow over it. Who knows, maybe I'm imagining things. Not to mention the lead required for the 20mm reminds me of the 30mm in IL2-1946 ... can only imagine the War Thunder 30mm ...
Ichigo 2016 年 2 月 13 日 下午 9:40 
引用自 ^3Jagdtiger
Am I missing something? did they nerf it recently or something? earlier on I ripped planes to shreds with the 20 mm but now it just..doesn't do anything. Hell even the air belts fail to register or do serious damage to enemy planes. The 20mm on the Bf109 F-4 tropical just doesnt kill for some reason. Plus ive had weird occurences with the Do 217 E-2's nose cannon and rarely the Fw 190 A-4 quad 20mm of doom not registering or doing significant damage.
damage models are a bit wierd, add in netcode and you have ghost shells and crap like what you talk about (can shoot a fighter with a 152mm HE and it did nothing
| BusteR | 2016 年 2 月 13 日 下午 9:42 
yea the mg 151 seems weaker now.
and krisu the 30mms mk 108s are imposible to aim the british ones are lasers..
the damage models have been improved since i started but more improvements are needed
Krisu 2016 年 2 月 13 日 下午 9:45 
引用自 | {bUsTeR} |
yea the mg 151 seems weaker now.
and krisu the 30mms mk 108s are imposible to aim the british ones are lasers..
the damage models have been improved since i started but more improvements are needed

I have yet to play british or american aircraft but something tells me hitting targets and destroying targets in single bursts will be much easier. So far sticking with my 109F4 and just got the G2 (non premium).
最後修改者:Krisu; 2016 年 2 月 13 日 下午 9:45
Blamite Delight 2016 年 2 月 14 日 上午 4:18 
good to know im not the only one running into this.
REVOLVER 2016 年 2 月 14 日 上午 11:09 
Sekrit dokuments komrade, Gaijin has discovered 20mm were not as strong as they were said to be in the documents, so now to balance it out they will buff cannons on russian planes with better sekrit dokuments.
Seriously tho, thanks for posting this, couple weeks ago i could shoot down any aircraft fine, now it feels like i am shooting paintballs at them.
Olsun 2016 年 2 月 14 日 上午 11:41 
They are really random. They work and not work
TaxFraudTodd 2016 年 2 月 14 日 上午 11:50 
引用自 The Master Baiter
引用自 ^3Jagdtiger
Am I missing something? did they nerf it recently or something? earlier on I ripped planes to shreds with the 20 mm but now it just..doesn't do anything. Hell even the air belts fail to register or do serious damage to enemy planes. The 20mm on the Bf109 F-4 tropical just doesnt kill for some reason. Plus ive had weird occurences with the Do 217 E-2's nose cannon and rarely the Fw 190 A-4 quad 20mm of doom not registering or doing significant damage.
damage models are a bit wierd, add in netcode and you have ghost shells and crap like what you talk about (can shoot a fighter with a 152mm HE and it did nothing
I have noticed these ghost shells where one minute I am about to win the next I am shooting blanks. It like one of those jokes where you pull the trigger on a fake gun and the word bang pops out.
Ichigo 2016 年 2 月 14 日 下午 3:09 
引用自 ToddTheTroll2142
引用自 The Master Baiter
damage models are a bit wierd, add in netcode and you have ghost shells and crap like what you talk about (can shoot a fighter with a 152mm HE and it did nothing
I have noticed these ghost shells where one minute I am about to win the next I am shooting blanks. It like one of those jokes where you pull the trigger on a fake gun and the word bang pops out.
Quite fun hey, my fav one was ghost shell when point blank at the side of a tiger 2
JtDarth 2016 年 2 月 14 日 下午 5:10 
it comes down to bad netcode playing hell with hit registry (which is sub par to begin with). When they register properly, those 20mm MG151 utterly decimate what they hit. Unfortunately, with how bad the game is at handling lower velocity cannons (and mgs), not to mention there is something up with the registry of the mineshell rounds themselves, it makes the british and american kinectic based cannon rounds much more effective, and the russian 20mm rounds have very reliable ammo (Hmm, wonder why?).
As far as raw power, the British .303 is way overperforming at the moment, due to how simple the internal structures of planes are modeled. It makes it pretty much so that any hits on the wing are damaging the spars, which are also all treated as a single hitzone, rather than multiple smaller ones. The .50 cal american and russian 12.7mm also benefit from this, as well as from very good accuracy and incendiary capability.
Japanese 12.7mm and Italian 12.7mm, on the other hand, are low velocity rounds relying on non-modeled chemical rounds and what is effectively 12.7mm HEI, which is badly modeled as to just how much damage it is capable of.
War thunder's damage modeling is horrible in general, you have a fair number of historically tough planes, that are fragile as your run of the mill craft, because the things that made them tougher aren't modeled (the P-40, for example, was extremely durable becuse the plane had extra spars, which also enabled ridiculously hard manuvers at speed without danger of shearing the wings. Not to mention that in North Africa, the P-40s were considered equivalent to the 109, At least the E models, and likely the early F series as well, at mid to low altitude. Despite this, and the good documentation of such, the P-40 in warthunder is a flying cinderblock made of extremely low quality cement,as in it falls apart extremely easy and lacks the high speed manuverability the plane was known for. There are multiple other planes that lack their historical ruggedness due to Gaijiin either outright not modeling the cause of it, or mismodeling it. The wellington, for example, doesn't have it's Geodesic design modeled, which allowed the real craft to come home with absolutely absurd amounts of damage).
People like to complain about IL-2 1946 having outdated damage models, but at least the planes in that are as durable as they are supposed to be, and the damage modeling is such that if you directly hit the elevator or rudder or aileron with a 20mm shell, it actually stops function correctly, unlike in war thunder.
Foxtrot39 2016 年 2 月 14 日 下午 5:13 
Wall of text, my only weakness nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
JtDarth 2016 年 2 月 14 日 下午 5:18 
引用自 Foxtrot39
Wall of text, my only weakness nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
That's not a wall. At least not by my standards, anyway.
Katokevin 2016 年 2 月 14 日 下午 6:06 
引用自 DarthNachoz
引用自 Foxtrot39
Wall of text, my only weakness nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
That's not a wall. At least not by my standards, anyway.
I can't even read the first line before my eyes start to hurt!
Admiral Obvious 2016 年 2 月 14 日 下午 6:35 
Allow me to TLDR it for you, he has good points.

War Thunder doesn't count structural design in an airplanes durability.

Take the Wellington. It had a Geodesic design making the airframe itself take a lot and still work. In War Thunder, the tail falls off if sneezed at.

P-40 and P-47 had redundant wing spars. This isn't modeled.

Next. Chemical rounds don't work.

They are counted as HE. Imagine a tiny 12.7mm HE impact versus being sprayed with what's equivalent to Thermite. War Thunder doesn't simulate this Thermite.
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