Strela is far too strong for 9.3.

[hsf_]

It's far superior to every other IR guided SAM and it's the lowest rated of the lot. I've used the LAV-AD and SIDAM 25 Mistral extensively and in terms of their air-to-air capabilities compared to the Strela, it's not even close.

If you want to mention that the Strela has only a measly 7.62mm for protection against ground units, then I will have to direct you to the Ozelot(9.7) and the Type-93(9.3) which are also unable to defend themselves against ground vehicles as well, but are higher or the same BR while being categorically worse vehicles.

Most IR SAM are very limited in how they can defend themselves against ground units with one exception, the LAV-AD due to it's cannon and unguided hydras. Any of the SAMs with an APDS belt are situational and as soon as you run out of the very limited capacity of rounds, you're done.

[French Cat]

Publicado originalmente por I Kawaii_Sheep I:

Publicado originalmente por French Cat:

The LAV-AD uses the same Stingers as the Ozelot I believe. 10gs with IRCCM. Not very good if the target turns. The LAV-AD is fine at 10.0 because it has a gun and a rocket pod. The missiles are extra and not the main selling point of it. The ozelot is only .3 lower but only has missiles. The Strela is .7 lower and it has 20g contrast missiles that are undodgeable unless you are close range. The missiles are over performing for the BR it’s at. 10.0 would make more sense for a missile like that. Even 10.3 would make sense. Im more scared of that thing than Tunguskas or pantsirs.

Its 0.7 lower because it has no 20mm gatling with 3000 rounds and is also not capable to use hydra missiles against tanks.

But no aircraft is safe from it. I don't know if you have a skill issue in it, but the Strela is a much much better missile than the Stinger. The stinger is a 9.0 missile at best. Like I said, the LAV-AD's missiles are extra. If you removed them it would still be 10.0

[BurgerKing]

Imagine getting upset that someone goes out of their own way and fun to pick Anti-Air so other people's fun won't be ruined by having a lobby Over-saturated with CAS. I get it, it's an easy game when no one else can fight back but, my God when someone picks Anti-Air you start crying.

[French Cat]

Publicado originalmente por Hazel:

Imagine getting upset that someone goes out of their own way and fun to pick Anti-Air so other people's fun won't be ruined by having a lobby Over-saturated with CAS. I get it, it's an easy game when no one else can fight back but, my God when someone picks Anti-Air you start crying.

I like it when there is Anti-Air cus then its a challenge. Im no guy who likes to click on people without being in danger. im fine with every SPAA except the Strela.

[Chief Beef]

Publicado originalmente por Hazel:

Imagine getting upset that someone goes out of their own way and fun to pick Anti-Air so other people's fun won't be ruined by having a lobby Over-saturated with CAS. I get it, it's an easy game when no one else can fight back but, my God when someone picks Anti-Air you start crying.

I don't mind CAS or SPAA, each have their own rightful place in WT, I do mind when a vehicle is at a BR that it should not be, or needs a nerf or buff of some kind.

[Chief Beef]

Publicado originalmente por Offline:

Sure the Strela is strong and a capable SPAA.
But i wouldn't say it is too strong.
When flying towards a Strela the SAM is easily flared.
When flying away from it you are supposed to hug the ground which will make the SAM oversteer and either crash into the ground or fly to high and miss you.

I was just in a match where I hugged the ground and dumped flares and still got hit by a strela, I am pretty sure what you said used to work but they buffed it not too long ago and now the missiles are much better.

[hsf_]

Publicado originalmente por I Kawaii_Sheep I:

Publicado originalmente por hsf_:

While I agree that the LAV-AD is only at 10.0 because of it's ability to defend its self against ground vehicles(which I mentioned in the original post), the Ozelot is not comparable to the Strela. There is not a single IR guided SAM which has the same performance as the Strela, which is the very reason that Russian CAS like the Su-25's and MiG-27 can and do run riot in most games.

The same can also be said for the Pantsir, which is vastly superior to any other SAM and renders non-Russian CAS completely ineffective, if it's played by a competent player.

Even if you're a competent pilot you think twice before you spawn in your aircraft or helicopter, when coming up against Russia at the later BR's.

The Pantsir is a completely different matter its using SACLOS, i have no idea why so many people have issues with it, while the FlakRad and ITO are way more deadly.

The only russian one is the Su-39 and thats an export aircraft russia is not even using it its a cash grab and i was totally against the addition of it since it carries R-77(Fox-3), an actual russian one would be a Su-25SM or SM3 and that would be all for the Su-25 section, but lets not focus on Su-25 only how about a Su-24 or Tu-22 or Su-34 they would be much more painful to fight since they are all alot faster, and have protective systems

Theres also the A-10C Thunderbolt II or AV-8B+ for the USA its still slow and not mach 2 capable especially the A-10 but they are equipped with much better missiles and JDAMs and thermal sights are included, therfore i would not focus on russia so much china also got plenty of decent CAS capable aircraft with either russian or chinese made ordnance very deadly, thats why i cant wait for the new update i really hope theres a J-11 & Su-27.

I can't speak for the FlaRakRad system as a whole as I don't have that yet, but I have used the ItO 90M a lot which has the same missile and going by my experience, I disagree.

The Pantsir's radar as far superior to the ItO 90M.
The Pantsir's radar range is much bigger than the ItO 90M
The missile launch is also superior, as it pre-aims the missile so it doesn't have to burn energy pulling to line up at the start.
The 95ya6 missile for the Pantsir has a much longer launch range(+7 km guaranteed), meaning you can hit stuff the moment it spawns in.

Perhaps I should clear up what I mean by 'Russian CAS running riot'.

I'm not denying the capabilities of non-Russian CAS, as I believe they have the better aircraft for it. But a competent player in a Pantsir at 11.7 or a Strela at 9.3 will 9 times out of 10 win the the fight for air supremacy, unless the ground team have been completely pushed back to their spawn.

When I play as Britain, US, Italy, France or Germany at top tier and I am against Russia I will rarely see my team spawn aircraft unless it's at the beginning of the game with helicopters. There will be one or two planes per game that spawn in on my team later into the game and will immediately get shot down.

While Russian CAS spawns like crazy and I spade my SAM/SPAA quite quickly as 90% of them are idiot pilots.

Likewise when I'm playing as Russia my team will spawn helis, planes and drones like mad but the enemy spawn one or two maybe?

That's what I mean by Russian CAS running riot, it's not that they are better aircraft it's just they don't have the threat of the Pantsir or Strela looming over them so it's less of a risk to spawn in one. They are just far more numerous is all.

[SpiralRazor]

Publicado originalmente por Hazel:

Imagine getting upset that someone goes out of their own way and fun to pick Anti-Air so other people's fun won't be ruined by having a lobby Over-saturated with CAS. I get it, it's an easy game when no one else can fight back but, my God when someone picks Anti-Air you start crying.

The problem is Strela ---> Pantsir...so RU has the best SPAA for a large bracket.

[Beverain]

The Ozelot at 9.7 and the Gepard 1a2 also at 9.7 makes the Ozelot more or less pointless to use over the Ozelot (besides being able to scout)

Ozelot should go back down to 9.3 if the Gepard 1a2 is at 9.7

if the Ozelot is 9.7 then the Strela should be 9.7 as well at least

[Mizzar]

Publicado originalmente por hsf_:

Publicado originalmente por I Kawaii_Sheep I:

The Pantsir is a completely different matter its using SACLOS, i have no idea why so many people have issues with it, while the FlakRad and ITO are way more deadly.

The only russian one is the Su-39 and thats an export aircraft russia is not even using it its a cash grab and i was totally against the addition of it since it carries R-77(Fox-3), an actual russian one would be a Su-25SM or SM3 and that would be all for the Su-25 section, but lets not focus on Su-25 only how about a Su-24 or Tu-22 or Su-34 they would be much more painful to fight since they are all alot faster, and have protective systems

Theres also the A-10C Thunderbolt II or AV-8B+ for the USA its still slow and not mach 2 capable especially the A-10 but they are equipped with much better missiles and JDAMs and thermal sights are included, therfore i would not focus on russia so much china also got plenty of decent CAS capable aircraft with either russian or chinese made ordnance very deadly, thats why i cant wait for the new update i really hope theres a J-11 & Su-27.

I can't speak for the FlaRakRad system as a whole as I don't have that yet, but I have used the ItO 90M a lot which has the same missile and going by my experience, I disagree.

The Pantsir's radar as far superior to the ItO 90M.
The Pantsir's radar range is much bigger than the ItO 90M
The missile launch is also superior, as it pre-aims the missile so it doesn't have to burn energy pulling to line up at the start.
The 95ya6 missile for the Pantsir has a much longer launch range(+7 km guaranteed), meaning you can hit stuff the moment it spawns in.

Perhaps I should clear up what I mean by 'Russian CAS running riot'.

I'm not denying the capabilities of non-Russian CAS, as I believe they have the better aircraft for it. But a competent player in a Pantsir at 11.7 or a Strela at 9.3 will 9 times out of 10 win the the fight for air supremacy, unless the ground team have been completely pushed back to their spawn.

When I play as Britain, US, Italy, France or Germany at top tier and I am against Russia I will rarely see my team spawn aircraft unless it's at the beginning of the game with helicopters. There will be one or two planes per game that spawn in on my team later into the game and will immediately get shot down.

While Russian CAS spawns like crazy and I spade my SAM/SPAA quite quickly as 90% of them are idiot pilots.

Likewise when I'm playing as Russia my team will spawn helis, planes and drones like mad but the enemy spawn one or two maybe?

That's what I mean by Russian CAS running riot, it's not that they are better aircraft it's just they don't have the threat of the Pantsir or Strela looming over them so it's less of a risk to spawn in one. They are just far more numerous is all.

Hard agree

[FkYoSht]

Publicado originalmente por hsf_:

I can't speak for the FlaRakRad system as a whole as I don't have that yet, but I have used the ItO 90M a lot which has the same missile and going by my experience, I disagree.

The Pantsir's radar as far superior to the ItO 90M.
The Pantsir's radar range is much bigger than the ItO 90M
The missile launch is also superior, as it pre-aims the missile so it doesn't have to burn energy pulling to line up at the start.
The 95ya6 missile for the Pantsir has a much longer launch range(+7 km guaranteed), meaning you can hit stuff the moment it spawns in.

Perhaps I should clear up what I mean by 'Russian CAS running riot'.

I'm not denying the capabilities of non-Russian CAS, as I believe they have the better aircraft for it. But a competent player in a Pantsir at 11.7 or a Strela at 9.3 will 9 times out of 10 win the the fight for air supremacy, unless the ground team have been completely pushed back to their spawn.

When I play as Britain, US, Italy, France or Germany at top tier and I am against Russia I will rarely see my team spawn aircraft unless it's at the beginning of the game with helicopters. There will be one or two planes per game that spawn in on my team later into the game and will immediately get shot down.

While Russian CAS spawns like crazy and I spade my SAM/SPAA quite quickly as 90% of them are idiot pilots.

Likewise when I'm playing as Russia my team will spawn helis, planes and drones like mad but the enemy spawn one or two maybe?

That's what I mean by Russian CAS running riot, it's not that they are better aircraft it's just they don't have the threat of the Pantsir or Strela looming over them so it's less of a risk to spawn in one. They are just far more numerous is all.

No matter how good the system a good CAS player will always win against an average SPAA player. We've all seen the Pantsir players launching SAMs at the supersonic F-16 on the deck that eventually get up to space and GBUs the whole team. (insert F-16 with literally anything)

The tool doesn't make the player but it defiantly helps.

I hope all teams get the best system their country has to offer. At the end of the day that is the job of the SPAA. To deny airspace to the other team.

[FkYoSht]

Publicado originalmente por French Cat:

I like it when there is Anti-Air cus then its a challenge. Im no guy who likes to click on people without being in danger. im fine with every SPAA except the Strela.

Yesterday (while playing the Strela at 11.7) I was shooting at a Saab J35XS and out of 8 SAMs he flared 6 of them with VERY little effort.

He was simply flying 3km above the map watching for a lock and would flare twice. The missile went to the flares every time.

The 9M37M has worse IRCCM performance than the Stinger (FIM-92K) and in my experience it shows. The only exception is helis and photocontrast mode where it ignores flairs.

[French Cat]

Publicado originalmente por FkYoSht:

Publicado originalmente por French Cat:

I like it when there is Anti-Air cus then its a challenge. Im no guy who likes to click on people without being in danger. im fine with every SPAA except the Strela.

Yesterday (while playing the Strela at 11.7) I was shooting at a Saab J35XS and out of 8 SAMs he flared 6 of them with VERY little effort.

He was simply flying 3km above the map watching for a lock and would flare twice. The missile went to the flares every time.

The 9M37M has worse IRCCM performance than the Stinger (FIM-92K) and in my experience it shows. The only exception is helis and photocontrast mode where it ignores flairs.

Doesn't that plane only have 4 pops of flares? Lmao bro thought

[FkYoSht]

Publicado originalmente por French Cat:

Doesn't that plane only have 4 pops of flares? Lmao bro thought

Im not a CAS nerd so im not sure ♥♥♥♥ was a jet i know that. Could of been a Mirage idk.

Point still stands tf

[Danny in Space]

sweet sweet CAS tears

[French Cat]

Publicado originalmente por Danny in Space:

sweet sweet CAS tears

More like hugs tbh. We are forcibly hugging the competition with weapons of war.