Strela is far too strong for 9.3.

[hsf_]

It's far superior to every other IR guided SAM and it's the lowest rated of the lot. I've used the LAV-AD and SIDAM 25 Mistral extensively and in terms of their air-to-air capabilities compared to the Strela, it's not even close.

If you want to mention that the Strela has only a measly 7.62mm for protection against ground units, then I will have to direct you to the Ozelot(9.7) and the Type-93(9.3) which are also unable to defend themselves against ground vehicles as well, but are higher or the same BR while being categorically worse vehicles.

Most IR SAM are very limited in how they can defend themselves against ground units with one exception, the LAV-AD due to it's cannon and unguided hydras. Any of the SAMs with an APDS belt are situational and as soon as you run out of the very limited capacity of rounds, you're done.

[Mizzar]

Originally posted by hsf_:

It's far superior to every other IR guided SAM and it's the lowest rated of the lot. I've used the LAV-AD and SIDAM 25 Mistral extensively and in terms of their air-to-air capabilities compared to the Strela, it's not even close.

If you want to mention that the Strela has only a measly 7.62mm for protection against ground units, then I will have to direct you to the Ozelot(9.7) and the Type-93(9.3) which are also unable to defend themselves against ground vehicles as well, but are higher or the same BR while being categorically worse vehicles.

Most IR SAM are very limited in how they can defend themselves against ground units with one exception, the LAV-AD due to it's cannon and unguided hydras. Any of the SAMs with an APDS belt are situational and as soon as you run out of the very limited capacity of rounds, you're done.

Idk, i play with the Ozelot and i always find myself on the same problem, heavy enemy helicopter cas(like a Z19E with full agms) destroying us from 3km away and i cant even shoot to em because its out of range, sometimes i decide to sacrifice myself and i star rushing outside the map right to the enemy heli with the RETURN TO THE BATTLEZONE counter trying finally be able to shoot, sometimes it works, but most times dont.

Yeah i know Z19E is 11.3 but lately i play Sim and Z19E is 10.3

It also happens on RB sometimes, when there is a G-Lynx for example

I hate when i try to protect my team for that cas but cant lock + cant shoot, they are able to kill us from OUTSIDE Spaa range which is unfair tbh, how we are suppossed to defend ourselves?

Do others SPAA at the same br like Ozelot have the same issue?

[hsf_]

Originally posted by Mizzar:

Originally posted by hsf_:

It's far superior to every other IR guided SAM and it's the lowest rated of the lot. I've used the LAV-AD and SIDAM 25 Mistral extensively and in terms of their air-to-air capabilities compared to the Strela, it's not even close.

If you want to mention that the Strela has only a measly 7.62mm for protection against ground units, then I will have to direct you to the Ozelot(9.7) and the Type-93(9.3) which are also unable to defend themselves against ground vehicles as well, but are higher or the same BR while being categorically worse vehicles.

Most IR SAM are very limited in how they can defend themselves against ground units with one exception, the LAV-AD due to it's cannon and unguided hydras. Any of the SAMs with an APDS belt are situational and as soon as you run out of the very limited capacity of rounds, you're done.

Idk, i play with the Ozelot and i always find myself on the same problem, heavy enemy helicopter cas(like a Z19E with full agms) destroying us from 3km away and i cant even shoot to em because its out of range, sometimes i decide to sacrifice myself and i star rushing outside the map right to the enemy heli with the RETURN TO THE BATTLEZONE counter trying finally be able to shoot, sometimes it works, but most times dont.

Yeah i know Z19E is 11.3 but lately i play Sim and Z19E is 10.3

It also happens on RB sometimes, when there is a G-Lynx for example

I hate when i try to protect my team for that cas but cant lock + cant shoot, they are able to kill us from OUTSIDE Spaa range which is unfair tbh, how we are suppossed to defend ourselves?

Do others SPAA at the same br like Ozelot have the same issue?

All IR guided missiles have a reduced range on helicopters, due to the lesser heat signature. So yes, as soon as you come up against a helicopter with more than 3km range ATGM's you're in trouble.

[JuX]

Guess we having this discussion again.

But yes it's way overpowered for a 9.3 and frankly at this point it's better then Ozelot (9.7) and LAV-AD (10) at their intended role.

The Type 81(C) is also way too low at 10 br. Considering it's basically twice better then a stinger launcher and unavoidable within 10km range with it's 35G's and contrast mode.

[<I^_^]I_1C3Qu33n_X33_I[^_^]>]

If the LAD ad had only the stinger missiles it would be 9.3 aswell and if the ozelot had regular stinger missiles instead of the highly improved IRCCM variants it would be also 9.3, its perfect how it is right now and there will be more strela variants for higher brs.

[hsf_]

Originally posted by I Kawaii_Sheep I:

If the LAD ad had only the stinger missiles it would be 9.3 aswell and if the ozelot had regular stinger missiles instead of the highly improved IRCCM variants it would be also 9.3, its perfect how it is right now and there will be more strela variants for higher brs.

While I agree that the LAV-AD is only at 10.0 because of it's ability to defend its self against ground vehicles(which I mentioned in the original post), the Ozelot is not comparable to the Strela. There is not a single IR guided SAM which has the same performance as the Strela, which is the very reason that Russian CAS like the Su-25's and MiG-27 can and do run riot in most games.

The same can also be said for the Pantsir, which is vastly superior to any other SAM and renders non-Russian CAS completely ineffective, if it's played by a competent player.

Even if you're a competent pilot you think twice before you spawn in your aircraft or helicopter, when coming up against Russia at the later BR's.

[I AM THE LAW!]

As a strela player I agree, the strela is nuts at taking down literally anything, even drones! (which it can actually do irl)
I recommend it be a BR of atleast 10.0 that would be fair imo, and people bring it to 10.0-10.7 anyway.

[French Cat]

Originally posted by I Kawaii_Sheep I:

If the LAD ad had only the stinger missiles it would be 9.3 aswell and if the ozelot had regular stinger missiles instead of the highly improved IRCCM variants it would be also 9.3, its perfect how it is right now and there will be more strela variants for higher brs.

The LAV-AD uses the same Stingers as the Ozelot I believe. 10gs with IRCCM. Not very good if the target turns. The LAV-AD is fine at 10.0 because it has a gun and a rocket pod. The missiles are extra and not the main selling point of it. The ozelot is only .3 lower but only has missiles. The Strela is .7 lower and it has 20g contrast missiles that are undodgeable unless you are close range. The missiles are over performing for the BR it’s at. 10.0 would make more sense for a missile like that. Even 10.3 would make sense. Im more scared of that thing than Tunguskas or pantsirs.

[<I^_^]I_1C3Qu33n_X33_I[^_^]>]

Originally posted by hsf_:

Originally posted by I Kawaii_Sheep I:

If the LAD ad had only the stinger missiles it would be 9.3 aswell and if the ozelot had regular stinger missiles instead of the highly improved IRCCM variants it would be also 9.3, its perfect how it is right now and there will be more strela variants for higher brs.

While I agree that the LAV-AD is only at 10.0 because of it's ability to defend its self against ground vehicles(which I mentioned in the original post), the Ozelot is not comparable to the Strela. There is not a single IR guided SAM which has the same performance as the Strela, which is the very reason that Russian CAS like the Su-25's and MiG-27 can and do run riot in most games.

The same can also be said for the Pantsir, which is vastly superior to any other SAM and renders non-Russian CAS completely ineffective, if it's played by a competent player.

Even if you're a competent pilot you think twice before you spawn in your aircraft or helicopter, when coming up against Russia at the later BR's.

The Pantsir is a completely different matter its using SACLOS, i have no idea why so many people have issues with it, while the FlakRad and ITO are way more deadly.

The only russian one is the Su-39 and thats an export aircraft russia is not even using it its a cash grab and i was totally against the addition of it since it carries R-77(Fox-3), an actual russian one would be a Su-25SM or SM3 and that would be all for the Su-25 section, but lets not focus on Su-25 only how about a Su-24 or Tu-22 or Su-34 they would be much more painful to fight since they are all alot faster, and have protective systems

Theres also the A-10C Thunderbolt II or AV-8B+ for the USA its still slow and not mach 2 capable especially the A-10 but they are equipped with much better missiles and JDAMs and thermal sights are included, therfore i would not focus on russia so much china also got plenty of decent CAS capable aircraft with either russian or chinese made ordnance very deadly, thats why i cant wait for the new update i really hope theres a J-11 & Su-27.

[<I^_^]I_1C3Qu33n_X33_I[^_^]>]

Originally posted by French Cat:

Originally posted by I Kawaii_Sheep I:

If the LAD ad had only the stinger missiles it would be 9.3 aswell and if the ozelot had regular stinger missiles instead of the highly improved IRCCM variants it would be also 9.3, its perfect how it is right now and there will be more strela variants for higher brs.

The LAV-AD uses the same Stingers as the Ozelot I believe. 10gs with IRCCM. Not very good if the target turns. The LAV-AD is fine at 10.0 because it has a gun and a rocket pod. The missiles are extra and not the main selling point of it. The ozelot is only .3 lower but only has missiles. The Strela is .7 lower and it has 20g contrast missiles that are undodgeable unless you are close range. The missiles are over performing for the BR it’s at. 10.0 would make more sense for a missile like that. Even 10.3 would make sense. Im more scared of that thing than Tunguskas or pantsirs.

Its 0.7 lower because it has no 20mm gatling with 3000 rounds and is also not capable to use hydra missiles against tanks.

[Blamite Delight]

depends on what game mode, if it's Ground Arcade then it's range is offset by the jets it's facing having bomb CCIP (if you react quick enough in spotting the enemy SAM you can bomb toss upon spawning in) If it's ground RB then, well the skies deserve to be clear of CAS

[FkYoSht]

Once the FIM-92K gets datalink IRST it will be the opposite (if they impliment it correctly).

CAS has had it too easy for too long.

[Chief Beef]

I agree, after using the lav-ad and the strela, as well as going against each type of missile, the strela missile is definitely better. The stinger gets flared somewhat pretty easily but I’ve had times in my a10 where I’ll dump flare and notch and it acts like I’m in a f14 and someone shot a rear aspect r73 at me, it’s crazy the lock it’ll hold.

[Offline]

Sure the Strela is strong and a capable SPAA.
But i wouldn't say it is too strong.
When flying towards a Strela the SAM is easily flared.
When flying away from it you are supposed to hug the ground which will make the SAM oversteer and either crash into the ground or fly to high and miss you.

[I AM THE LAW!]

Originally posted by Offline:

Sure the Strela is strong and a capable SPAA.
But i wouldn't say it is too strong.
When flying towards a Strela the SAM is easily flared.
When flying away from it you are supposed to hug the ground which will make the SAM oversteer and either crash into the ground or fly to high and miss you.

you playing the same game as me? I've never seen anyone flare the strela since the buff, and that's if they even see it coming in time. I've seen people use the sun, and dodge it. but flaring in a headon? nah.

[JuX]

Originally posted by Offline:

Sure the Strela is strong and a capable SPAA.
But i wouldn't say it is too strong.
When flying towards a Strela the SAM is easily flared.
When flying away from it you are supposed to hug the ground which will make the SAM oversteer and either crash into the ground or fly to high and miss you.

No longer the case. It got upgraded in the major update and is now immune to flares.