American Ground RB almost unplayable.

[Sealclubber]

Is it only me or is the American Top Tier Line up unplayable against russian tanks?
I mean if i look at the statistics... American Tanks have by far the worst Winrate...
They have nice tanks. sure.. u can kills tuff with them.. but against BVM and Pantsir? no chance......
They hear you from miles. can pen you everywhere- while u can´t pen ♥♥♥♥. only on weakspots. the best Themals in the game.which makes it even easier
The Pantsir shreds every plane.

I also have all russian tanks and planes myself and know how to use my top tier stuff... and i can tell ... Russian Top Tier plays like Easy mode. Almost every shot a kill. Incredible Performance ....
Meanhwhile...the most advanced Tank with the most experience on the world... the abrams... just sucks D**KS compared to T80...

[michel_blade]

True. I prefer to face 3 Abrams tanks instead of one T-80. For german tech Abrams is formidable opponent, but you have fair fight. Against soviet tanks you need a lot of luck. You can also say something is off when all tanks on top Bars have to play carefully, while T80s can run in the middle of the street or a field without care in the world.

So, there is nothing wrong with USA tanks, they are good if you compare them to any other nation, superior even by comparison to a few less capable ones. It's just the issue with soviet tanks - they are overpowered without any other reason than the fact that Gaijin is a Russian company.

[xCrossFaith]

I got into US just a couple months ago (bouguh some stuff in the sale so yes I'm talking about high tiers) .. Uhm... What the actual ♥♥♥♥ are you guys doing to struggle that much?

Also just you guys are aware, the M1A2 SEP has less weakspots frontally than the T80 BVM

May I ask where are you guys shooting the russian tanks?

[Cha Cha Real Rough]

Originally posted by michel_blade:

True. I prefer to face 3 Abrams tanks instead of one T-80. For german tech Abrams is formidable opponent, but you have fair fight. Against soviet tanks you need a lot of luck. You can also say something is off when all tanks on top Bars have to play carefully, while T80s can run in the middle of the street or a field without care in the world.

So, there is nothing wrong with USA tanks, they are good if you compare them to any other nation, superior even by comparison to a few less capable ones. It's just the issue with soviet tanks - they are overpowered without any other reason than the fact that Gaijin is a Russian company.

Id rather fight the Abrams because I know the guy using it 70% of the time is terrible at using it. I mean you have no idea how many times I see them rush straight forward and die, even with their good armor its not enough to save them from being braindead.

[michel_blade]

Originally posted by Cha Cha Real Rough:

Originally posted by michel_blade:

True. I prefer to face 3 Abrams tanks instead of one T-80. For german tech Abrams is formidable opponent, but you have fair fight. Against soviet tanks you need a lot of luck. You can also say something is off when all tanks on top Bars have to play carefully, while T80s can run in the middle of the street or a field without care in the world.

So, there is nothing wrong with USA tanks, they are good if you compare them to any other nation, superior even by comparison to a few less capable ones. It's just the issue with soviet tanks - they are overpowered without any other reason than the fact that Gaijin is a Russian company.

Id rather fight the Abrams because I know the guy using it 70% of the time is terrible at using it. I mean you have no idea how many times I see them rush straight forward and die, even with their good armor its not enough to save them from being braindead.

What tanks haven't you seen operated by people who were not terrible? I've seen all of them driven by braindamaged potatoes. That does not mean that tanks are good/bad. I have never seen Abrams driving like there is no tomorrow and succeeding. I see happy-go-lucky soviet tanks going away without punishment because reactive armor makes them immortal to any fire. I do have not noticed higher skill among soviet driving players, to the contrary, they can do stupid stuff because they know they can "tank" the punishment and they can kill anything with a single shot.

So yeah, of you play anything other than soviet tanks, especially on top Bars, it feels like your entire lineup is ♥♥♥♥.

[MashedPotatoww]

Skill issue. American teammates are always the worst regardless of the br. I play US/Germany/USSR/Israel and my winrate when playing with US vehicles are the worst.

[Cha Cha Real Rough]

Originally posted by michel_blade:

Originally posted by Cha Cha Real Rough:

Id rather fight the Abrams because I know the guy using it 70% of the time is terrible at using it. I mean you have no idea how many times I see them rush straight forward and die, even with their good armor its not enough to save them from being braindead.

What tanks haven't you seen operated by people who were not terrible? I've seen all of them driven by braindamaged potatoes. That does not mean that tanks are good/bad. I have never seen Abrams driving like there is no tomorrow and succeeding. I see happy-go-lucky soviet tanks going away without punishment because reactive armor makes them immortal to any fire. I do have not noticed higher skill among soviet driving players, to the contrary, they can do stupid stuff because they know they can "tank" the punishment and they can kill anything with a single shot.

So yeah, of you play anything other than soviet tanks, especially on top Bars, it feels like your entire lineup is ♥♥♥♥.

Ive been playing british challengers recently so heres my take:

USA, Germany, Russia, Israel, China I see probably the most amount of unskilled players in MBT's in that specific order with the US (in my opinion) suffering the worse from it.
Most of what i see though were M1 KVT's and wolfpacks, so that definitely adds to it but IMO the US has it the worse.

The other nations i notice reasonably better gameplay from the players fighting both with and against them, and playing the british i tend to see challenger players being more cautious and trying to fight hulldown and not rush in.

When it comes to soviet tanks, yeah the ERA on a few of them add survivability definitely, but i also never really aim for the UFP anyways because its such a hit-or-miss area to shoot, its always LFP or breach for me. When that doesn't cut it though, i always bring a few rounds of HESH and lob it at them to get an overpressure or roof hit kill. And yeah i see alot of frontline brawling with soviet tanks, because thats their strength, even if its not very skillful.

[Dogola]

I send prayers upwards every time I click to battle to not be teamed up with USA. The average US team in toptier is 1 M1A2Sep with a player that at least tries, 2 guys in M22 and the rest in squadron AIMs without a backup that die within a minute of the game and leave.

[↯Zindy⛦]

irl abrams doesn’t perform well either unless the enemy crew is outside the tank or blinded

[Chief Beef]

In my experience it isn’t the lineups that are the problem, every nation has their advantages and disadvantages but generally when you are brawling with another MBT you aim for their breach or a kill shot.
I am an American not some foreigner trying to trash the U.S. but it really does feel like U.S. teams are completely brain dead, even more than other circumstances. More times than not I find myself trying to win a cap point all by myself meanwhile my team all files into a neat and orderly line to A point, nobody really going side to side which leaves our flanks completely wide open and our whole team dies.
The only thing I can definitely say the Russians have an advantage with is the SPAA, nothing is even remotely close to being able to match or exceed the pantsir. Other than that, every nation has a pretty fair shot at winning, they have access to helis, CAS, and fighters, just like Russia.
Other than that losses really come down to one death leavers and general skill of the team.

[Sealclubber]

Concidering the fact the average WT player is not a IQ200 Mastermind...
T he US Top Tier Tanks still feel like paper. easy killshot for every T80 ... and i totally agree... i would rather face 5 abrams than one t80..

maybe they listen at some point... maybe not

[French Cat]

Originally posted by ↯Zindy⛦:

irl abrams doesn’t perform well either unless the enemy crew is outside the tank or blinded

#LiveLeak proves you wrong.

[↯Zindy⛦]

Originally posted by French Cat:

Originally posted by ↯Zindy⛦:

irl abrams doesn’t perform well either unless the enemy crew is outside the tank or blinded

#LiveLeak proves you wrong.

proof or troll

[French Cat]

Originally posted by ↯Zindy⛦:

Originally posted by French Cat:

#LiveLeak proves you wrong.

proof or troll

Live leak doesn’t exist anymore lmao, you good? This guy asked for a live leak link. Just look at the current war in the place where things happen. Can’t say where but you know. M1s are messing things up over there.

[↯Zindy⛦]

Originally posted by French Cat:

Originally posted by ↯Zindy⛦:

proof or troll

Live leak doesn’t exist anymore lmao, you good? This guy asked for a live leak link. Just look at the current war in the place where things happen. Can’t say where but you know. M1s are messing things up over there.

you implied the footage exists so the burden of proof is on you regardless the site doesn’t exist anymore.
congrats you played yourself

[French Cat]

Originally posted by ↯Zindy⛦:

Originally posted by French Cat:

Live leak doesn’t exist anymore lmao, you good? This guy asked for a live leak link. Just look at the current war in the place where things happen. Can’t say where but you know. M1s are messing things up over there.

you implied the footage exists so the burden of proof is on you.
congrats you played yourself

Wdym I played myself and why are you congratulating me? The proof does exist, just find it somewhere else, look on YouTube. Liveleak used to have tons of footage ♥♥♥♥ I do not want to remember, including Abrams. The burden of truth isn’t on my shoulders, but on yours. Every single poet and philosopher has said that. Congrats, you played yourself