FIX T-34

[|HTD| RAPTOR]

to hard to killing

[Rxproject]

Like in History.
Lol.

[Faxter]

what tank are you using? which caliber? i can have too problems vs t 34 (from t34- 40 to t34-85). unless he is forcing you in head to head, aim for the side (when not properly angled) or the turret ring just under the barrel.

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by Faxter:

what tank are you using? which caliber? i can have too problems vs t 34 (from t34- 40 to t34-85). unless he is forcing you in head to head, aim for the side (when not properly angled) or the turret ring just under the barrel.

Turret cheeks works too but NEVER EVER shoot the Drivers Hatch.
The Hatch is volumetric hell and is easily the best protected part of the T-34.

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by Ölven:

If it was historic it should be a piece of utter trash that was more dangerous to it's own crew than it ever was to the Germans and should be easily killed by pz3s with long 50mm.

But no, it's full on propaganda machine where gaijin have made sure the historical weak-spots are impenetrable.

The T-34´s low "life expectancy" was partly the result of cutting corners (and they cut a lot) during it´s production phase to keep the numbers up.

And the Germans were doing the same thing with the Panzer IV J, Sd.Kfz 251 D, Panther etc. and the armorplating and welds on late german tanks became increasingly brittle due to lack of skilled workers and raw materials.

[С у к а]

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

Originally posted by Ölven:

If it was historic it should be a piece of utter trash that was more dangerous to it's own crew than it ever was to the Germans and should be easily killed by pz3s with long 50mm.

But no, it's full on propaganda machine where gaijin have made sure the historical weak-spots are impenetrable.

The T-34´s low "life expectancy" was partly the result of cutting corners (and they cut a lot) during it´s production phase to keep the numbers up.

And the Germans were doing the same thing with the Panzer IV J, Sd.Kfz 251 D, Panther etc. and the armorplating and welds on late german tanks became increasingly brittle due to lack of skilled workers and raw materials.

Correction, their steel quality decreased much earlier than it is said to have due to lack of materials user during the steel production
Edit: source https://youtu.be/hbBg509os2E?si=s0cnLj-ueQkPzULt

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by Serenity:

Correction, their steel quality decreased much earlier than it is said to have due to lack of materials user during the steel production
Edit: source https://youtu.be/hbBg509os2E?si=s0cnLj-ueQkPzULt

Very informative. Thanks for the link.

[Graephen]

T-34's driver's hatch was actually penetrable by the German 50mm Kwk. That is the only part that is BS about the T-34, otherwise it's fine.

Here's a detailed post on the matter with proof:
https://old-forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/334529-t-34-drivers-hatch-vulnerability/

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by Ölven:

If the losses where because of "cost cutting to keep the numbers up" the reliability should have been the highest in the summer of 41, but instead the t34 had a reliability that made Tigers look like they had been built by Volvo in the 80s. The reliability went up as the war went on.

What I meant with cutting corners was, that they left the factory with various pieces of equipment missing or of really low quality to get them out faster.

To give you an idea, skip at 41:07.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIZ6PFYUM5o

[С у к а]

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

Originally posted by Ölven:

If the losses where because of "cost cutting to keep the numbers up" the reliability should have been the highest in the summer of 41, but instead the t34 had a reliability that made Tigers look like they had been built by Volvo in the 80s. The reliability went up as the war went on.

What I meant with cutting corners was, that they left the factory with various pieces of equipment missing or of really low quality to get them out faster.

To give you an idea, skip at 41:07.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIZ6PFYUM5o

Good video but imo its too harsh on the T-34 still, but I digress.

[CaptainSpacetime]

Of course remember a lot of the cutting corners in T-34 production was that if production didn't increase by x arbitrary amount you'd get accused of sabotage and sent to a gulag.

So an "ehhhh ♥♥♥♥ it send them out" attitude seems reasonable lol

Plus the better produced fancy reliable T-34s are all made in like Czechia in 1955 or whatever.

[French Cat]

Originally posted by Rxproject:

Like in History.
Lol.

Mhm cus they would always break down before reaching the battlefield, rendering them unkillable.

[Oblivien]

will never happen among Russian developers :D they love their supposedly indestructible Russian tanks too much for that

[Kay]

Originally posted by Ölven:

when in reality the russian tankers rarely wanted to use anything but solid AP and the pure HE shell, since the low quality fuses had a tendency to explode in the breech or before penetration.

This was a common problem with APHE in general and why Britain stuck to using solid shot, not only would APHE not actually increase the chance of knocking out a tank if it penetrated, it would decrease the chance of penetration by making the shell easier to shatter (which is inherent to how APHE shells are made) or detonating before fully penetrating armour.

The "weakspot" I assume you're talking about is the Driver's hatch, which was limited to a maximum of ~130mm effective thickness regardless of the angle (100mm for the first model) about 5 years ago to account for the hatch caving in when enough force was applied.

[HornedPanda]

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

Originally posted by Ölven:

If the losses where because of "cost cutting to keep the numbers up" the reliability should have been the highest in the summer of 41, but instead the t34 had a reliability that made Tigers look like they had been built by Volvo in the 80s. The reliability went up as the war went on.

What I meant with cutting corners was, that they left the factory with various pieces of equipment missing or of really low quality to get them out faster.

To give you an idea, skip at 41:07.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIZ6PFYUM5o

Laserpig is known for not doing enough research and straight up lying.

[French Cat]

Originally posted by HornedPanda:

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

What I meant with cutting corners was, that they left the factory with various pieces of equipment missing or of really low quality to get them out faster.

To give you an idea, skip at 41:07.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIZ6PFYUM5o

Laserpig is known for not doing enough research and straight up lying.

Blah blah blah I like him when he’s drunk, reminds me of someone I know, blah blah blah it’s a Russian tank so it’s okay