How I propose changing the 2S38

[Desperadoscres]

I play it often and i play against it often, so I think I am qualified to talk about it

Proposition number one : Delete it's anti-air capability
No tracker and no more proxy, alternativly make helicopter pulse detect it

Proposition number 2 : Make it's armor less likely to bounce of shot

When I play it I sometime just eat shot of APFSDS for no reason, make it way less richochet capable

Proposition number 3 : Make so the auto-loader cannot magicly change ammo type
If you have sabot loaded, it would need to empty and refill to autoloader to change ammo type

Some people will say " That's not historicly accurate "

If russian tank were accurate then their top tier would be at 5.0, the game prime focus with russian tank isen't realism

[FkYoSht]

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

Proposition number one : Delete it's anti-air capability
No tracker and no more proxy, alternativly make helicopter pulse detect it

Why? Its a SPAA vehicle in reality. This would remove its actual role on the battlefield.

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

Proposition number 2 : Make it's armor less likely to bounce of shot.
When I play it I sometime just eat shot of APFSDS for no reason, make it way less richochet capable

How? Volumetric is insanely buggy and you cant just add artificial bounce modifiers to vehicle armor. I've played it and I have only ever bounced shallow shots to the hull top while hull down. This is not unique to Russian vehicles it happens because the armor system is broken.

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

Proposition number 3 : Make so the auto-loader cannot magicly change ammo type
If you have sabot loaded, it would need to empty and refill to autoloader to change ammo type

Dumb.
If you've played it you would know that it takes A WHILE for the autoloader to replenish from empty. This is also not how the switch ammo mechanic works for every other vehicle in game.

Instead, I suggest removing its APFSDS round. Relying on its APHE round for ground targets. This will stop most of the whining and also prevent it from front penning MBTs UFP.

*I am not a russian main. I main US, France, China and Russia.

[Desperadoscres]

Originally posted by FkYoSht:

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

Proposition number one : Delete it's anti-air capability
No tracker and no more proxy, alternativly make helicopter pulse detect it

Why? Its a SPAA vehicle in reality. This would remove its actual role on the battlefield.

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

Proposition number 2 : Make it's armor less likely to bounce of shot.
When I play it I sometime just eat shot of APFSDS for no reason, make it way less richochet capable

How? Volumetric is insanely buggy and you cant just add artificial bounce modifiers to vehicle armor. I've played it and I have only ever bounced shallow shots to the hull top while hull down. This is not unique to Russian vehicles it happens because the armor system is broken.

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

Proposition number 3 : Make so the auto-loader cannot magicly change ammo type
If you have sabot loaded, it would need to empty and refill to autoloader to change ammo type

Dumb.
If you've played it you would know that it takes A WHILE for the autoloader to replenish from empty. This is also not how the switch ammo mechanic works for every other vehicle in game.

Instead, I suggest removing its APFSDS round. Relying on its APHE round for ground targets. This will stop most of the whining and also prevent it from front penning MBTs UFP.

*I am not a russian main. I main US, France, China and Russia.

1: I said i dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about it's role IRL the game classified it as a light tank, it should be treated as such
2: not disproving my point
3: Not at all, the autoloader replenlishing is VERY short if you manage your shot, if you compare it to other tank replenishing form empty it's 4 time faster than averge

Removing apfsds? But it woulden't be realistic has it can have it irl

[flat_Lander1]

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

Originally posted by FkYoSht:

Why? Its a SPAA vehicle in reality. This would remove its actual role on the battlefield.



How? Volumetric is insanely buggy and you cant just add artificial bounce modifiers to vehicle armor. I've played it and I have only ever bounced shallow shots to the hull top while hull down. This is not unique to Russian vehicles it happens because the armor system is broken.



Dumb.
If you've played it you would know that it takes A WHILE for the autoloader to replenish from empty. This is also not how the switch ammo mechanic works for every other vehicle in game.

Instead, I suggest removing its APFSDS round. Relying on its APHE round for ground targets. This will stop most of the whining and also prevent it from front penning MBTs UFP.

*I am not a russian main. I main US, France, China and Russia.

1: I said i dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about it's role IRL the game classified it as a light tank, it should be treated as such
2: not disproving my point
3: Not at all, the autoloader replenlishing is VERY short if you manage your shot, if you compare it to other tank replenishing form empty it's 4 time faster than averge

Removing apfsds? But it woulden't be realistic has it can have it irl

Its a multi-purpose vehicle (close-in weapon system) with the ability to fight planes, infantry, tanks, light vehicles, rockets artillery shells and drones not a light tank or spaa
If you bounce your shot of a 2s38 sorry its a skill issue
The only problem is the giant fuel tank in the front that eats shells
Everything you described can be applied to any top tier light tank like wolfpack, begleit, puma, french top tier puma, italian top tier puma and so on

[FkYoSht]

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

Removing apfsds? But it woulden't be realistic has it can have it irl

And? Other vehicles have received ammo nerfs to balance said vehicle. Its better than your garbage suggestions that, Id bet money, wouldn't work. Its nice you dont care about what it is. That doesnt change the fact that its primary role is air targets.

[xCrossFaith]

I actually have it and go against it so... Let me rework your idea a bit:

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

Proposition number one : Delete it's anti-air capability

This is plain and simple a retarded idea, there's not even the need to explain why.

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

Proposition number 2 : Make it's armor less likely to bounce of shot

When I play it I sometime just eat shot of APFSDS for no reason, make it way less richochet capable

No one who has played other light vehicles is going to fall for this attempt at ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, everyone who plays light vehicles knows very well they all bounced shots they shouldn't.

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

Proposition number 3 : Make so the auto-loader cannot magicly change ammo type
If you have sabot loaded, it would need to empty and refill to autoloader to change ammo type

Doesn't pretty much every vehicle with that sort of thing do the same?

[DIRTYBOMB]

it doesn't need changing, another russophobic hate post that wants to make anything russian suffer.

[Mizzar]

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

I play it often and i play against it often, so I think I am qualified to talk about it

Proposition number one : Delete it's anti-air capability
No tracker and no more proxy, alternativly make helicopter pulse detect it

Proposition number 2 : Make it's armor less likely to bounce of shot

When I play it I sometime just eat shot of APFSDS for no reason, make it way less richochet capable

Proposition number 3 : Make so the auto-loader cannot magicly change ammo type
If you have sabot loaded, it would need to empty and refill to autoloader to change ammo type

Some people will say " That's not historicly accurate "

If russian tank were accurate then their top tier would be at 5.0, the game prime focus with russian tank isen't realism

agree with your changes, 2s38 is nearly p2w, also they can stop TOWs for no reason sometimes, a lot of times i hitted em with my TOW Wiesel and no damage, + the anti-air capability it has is extremely op, proxy fuze + tracker? really? i didnt know it had a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tracker, Begleitpanzer has proxy fuze but it doesnt has tracker, u need to aim by yourself

+ They just killed PUMA , PUMA cant pen ♥♥♥♥ unless u find a light vehicle or flank someone, yeah it can survive well sometimes, but whats the point of it being 10.0 like 2s38 if 2S38 does everything PUMA can do but BETTER

[♡ Melody ♡]

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

I play it often and i play against it often, so I think I am qualified to talk about it

Proposition number one : Delete it's anti-air capability
No tracker and no more proxy, alternativly make helicopter pulse detect it

Proposition number 2 : Make it's armor less likely to bounce of shot

When I play it I sometime just eat shot of APFSDS for no reason, make it way less richochet capable

Proposition number 3 : Make so the auto-loader cannot magicly change ammo type
If you have sabot loaded, it would need to empty and refill to autoloader to change ammo type

Some people will say " That's not historicly accurate "

If russian tank were accurate then their top tier would be at 5.0, the game prime focus with russian tank isen't realism

My proposal:
remove it its aids

[RedT3rror]

Thing deserves the same BR as the HSTVL.

[Aegis270]

No reason to mess with what it's (supposedly) capable of IRL. Just uptier it. Works just fine at ~11.0, and that means it can't stomp 9.0 every game.

[WeebLord69]

Originally posted by Desperadoscres:

Originally posted by FkYoSht:

Why? Its a SPAA vehicle in reality. This would remove its actual role on the battlefield.



How? Volumetric is insanely buggy and you cant just add artificial bounce modifiers to vehicle armor. I've played it and I have only ever bounced shallow shots to the hull top while hull down. This is not unique to Russian vehicles it happens because the armor system is broken.



Dumb.
If you've played it you would know that it takes A WHILE for the autoloader to replenish from empty. This is also not how the switch ammo mechanic works for every other vehicle in game.

Instead, I suggest removing its APFSDS round. Relying on its APHE round for ground targets. This will stop most of the whining and also prevent it from front penning MBTs UFP.

*I am not a russian main. I main US, France, China and Russia.

1: I said i dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about it's role IRL the game classified it as a light tank, it should be treated as such
2: not disproving my point
3: Not at all, the autoloader replenlishing is VERY short if you manage your shot, if you compare it to other tank replenishing form empty it's 4 time faster than averge

Removing apfsds? But it woulden't be realistic has it can have it irl

cope