IS the T-72AV (TURMS-T) still busted?

[ProfessorParker]

Is the T-72AV (TURMS-T) still op af in grb against XM-1 (GM)s and Leopard A1A1 (L/44)s that stand no chance at penning anything other then your lower plate while you can pen their entire tank?

[Shyue Chou]

The T-72AV (TURMS-T) is a 10.0 tank while the XM-1 is 9.3 and Leopard A1A1 is 9.0, of course these two tanks will have difficulty with a higher rated tank, there is nothing busted with the T-72AV.

[Riley⁧⁧⁧2142]

If you don't know how to play against it I suppose it is 'busted'.

[ProfessorParker]

Originally posted by Shyue Chou:

The T-72AV (TURMS-T) is a 10.0 tank while the XM-1 is 9.3 and Leopard A1A1 is 9.0, of course these two tanks will have difficulty with a higher rated tank, there is nothing busted with the T-72AV.

The T-72AV faces 9.3 99% of the time because of the abundance of the Leopard A1A1 (L/44) and the XM-1 (GM) premium tanks. sorry for the confusion about the Leopard A1A1 and the Leopard A1A1 (L/44). I'm asking if this is still the case or if the T-72AV has started facing 11.0 more often. The 10.3 Abrams has ~360mm of pen, the 10.3 Leopard has ~410mm of pen, and the T-72AV at 10.0 has ~460mm of pen. The tech tree 10.0 T-72B has the same amount. The T-72 has both higher pen and better armor in the stat cards, but what I'm trying to figure out here is if it is still good. It also has the fastest reload out of all three.

[Shyue Chou]

Originally posted by ProfessorParker:

Originally posted by Shyue Chou:

The T-72AV (TURMS-T) is a 10.0 tank while the XM-1 is 9.3 and Leopard A1A1 is 9.0, of course these two tanks will have difficulty with a higher rated tank, there is nothing busted with the T-72AV.

The T-72AV faces 9.3 99% of the time because of the abundance of the Leopard A1A1 (L/44) and the XM-1 (GM) premium tanks. sorry for the confusion about the Leopard A1A1 and the Leopard A1A1 (L/44). I'm asking if this is still the case or if the T-72AV has started facing 11.0 more often. The 10.3 Abrams has ~360mm of pen, the 10.3 Leopard has ~410mm of pen, and the T-72AV at 10.0 has ~460mm of pen. The tech tree 10.0 T-72B has the same amount. The T-72 has both higher pen and better armor in the stat cards, but what I'm trying to figure out here is if it is still good.

Since you put it that way, yes, tanks on the 9.3 rating do get pushed up to 10.0 and 10,3 due to the many premiums on 10.0 and 10.3 (T-72AV, Leopard 2A4 123 Pz Btn, M1 MVT). And yes, I find the XM-1 (GM) a fair bit more difficult to play than my T-72AV which has a much better record. I would try to avoid 9.3 if I can.

[flat_Lander1]

Originally posted by ProfessorParker:

Originally posted by Shyue Chou:

The T-72AV (TURMS-T) is a 10.0 tank while the XM-1 is 9.3 and Leopard A1A1 is 9.0, of course these two tanks will have difficulty with a higher rated tank, there is nothing busted with the T-72AV.

The T-72AV faces 9.3 99% of the time because of the abundance of the Leopard A1A1 (L/44) and the XM-1 (GM) premium tanks. sorry for the confusion about the Leopard A1A1 and the Leopard A1A1 (L/44). I'm asking if this is still the case or if the T-72AV has started facing 11.0 more often. The 10.3 Abrams has ~360mm of pen, the 10.3 Leopard has ~410mm of pen, and the T-72AV at 10.0 has ~460mm of pen. The tech tree 10.0 T-72B has the same amount. The T-72 has both higher pen and better armor in the stat cards, but what I'm trying to figure out here is if it is still good. It also has the fastest reload out of all three.

no its not, it faces other 10.0 premium 99% of the time just like any other 10.0 premium vehicle

[michel_blade]

Originally posted by ProfessorParker:

Originally posted by Shyue Chou:

The T-72AV (TURMS-T) is a 10.0 tank while the XM-1 is 9.3 and Leopard A1A1 is 9.0, of course these two tanks will have difficulty with a higher rated tank, there is nothing busted with the T-72AV.

The T-72AV faces 9.3 99% of the time because of the abundance of the Leopard A1A1 (L/44) and the XM-1 (GM) premium tanks. sorry for the confusion about the Leopard A1A1 and the Leopard A1A1 (L/44). I'm asking if this is still the case or if the T-72AV has started facing 11.0 more often. The 10.3 Abrams has ~360mm of pen, the 10.3 Leopard has ~410mm of pen, and the T-72AV at 10.0 has ~460mm of pen. The tech tree 10.0 T-72B has the same amount. The T-72 has both higher pen and better armor in the stat cards, but what I'm trying to figure out here is if it is still good. It also has the fastest reload out of all three.

Yes, it is still busted, like most of soviet tanks. It has superior stats. It need hit you in any part of your armor at almost any angle and you need to skill up and know their weakpoints bla bla bla. I see them at 10.3 often and they are always a challenge.

[michel_blade]

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

no its not, it faces other 10.0 premium 99% of the time just like any other 10.0 premium vehicle

You are making no sens. There are no two vehicles at the same BR that are exactly alike. They all differ in terms of strength and viability. That is kinda obvious. And soviet tanks have superior stats and favorable meta most of the time.

[flat_Lander1]

Originally posted by michel_blade:

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

no its not, it faces other 10.0 premium 99% of the time just like any other 10.0 premium vehicle

You are making no sens. There are no two vehicles at the same BR that are exactly alike. They all differ in terms of strength and viability. That is kinda obvious. And soviet tanks have superior stats and favorable meta most of the time.

what are you talking about? are you not able to read properly or smth
the whole 10.0 BR bracket is 98% premium 10.0 vehicles and turms faces other 10.0 premium and rarely if ever get uptiered or downtiered
if you are bad just say it stop spamming useless "i can't kill T-series tank so it must be busted" every day, stop embarrassing yourself

[michel_blade]

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

Originally posted by michel_blade:

You are making no sens. There are no two vehicles at the same BR that are exactly alike. They all differ in terms of strength and viability. That is kinda obvious. And soviet tanks have superior stats and favorable meta most of the time.

what are you talking about? are you not able to read properly or smth
the whole 10.0 BR bracket is 98% premium 10.0 vehicles and turms faces other 10.0 premium and rarely if ever get uptiered or downtiered

First, BR 10.0 is not 98% premium. That is simply not true. There are more freemium vehicles there and there are more freemium players than premium players. So it can not face mostly other premium vehicles.
Secondly, if it is not uptiered nor downtiered what is it? You do realize that you are either uptiered, or downtiered, there is nothing in between. The game is composed of players from whos top vehicles have maximum 1 BR of difference. So, If you have your tank at BR.10 and you are matched with players with their tanks from BR 9.0-10.0 you are downtiered - you are their uptier. If you are matched with players from BR 9.3-10.3 it means you are uptiered - there are tanks in you game from higher BR than your top BR. There are no games where all players are from the same BR. There is always a range of BR, that range is exactly 1.

And going back to my point, two different vehicles from the same BR, for example that T-72 and Leopard A1A1, are not equally strong. They are rated the same, but one has more advantages than the other. And yes, the one with the most and the best advantages is the soviet one.

[Shyue Chou]

Incidentally, I used my dozer blade on my T-72AV just now and dug myself a nice position and destroyed a fair number of tanks before I was overrun. It seems to be useful as the T-72AV hasn't got much depression. I was able to dig a hole to hide my lower hull plate!

[-reno-FR-]

Originally posted by ProfessorParker:

Originally posted by Shyue Chou:

The T-72AV (TURMS-T) is a 10.0 tank while the XM-1 is 9.3 and Leopard A1A1 is 9.0, of course these two tanks will have difficulty with a higher rated tank, there is nothing busted with the T-72AV.

The T-72AV faces 9.3 99% of the time because of the abundance of the Leopard A1A1 (L/44) and the XM-1 (GM) premium tanks. sorry for the confusion about the Leopard A1A1 and the Leopard A1A1 (L/44). I'm asking if this is still the case or if the T-72AV has started facing 11.0 more often. The 10.3 Abrams has ~360mm of pen, the 10.3 Leopard has ~410mm of pen, and the T-72AV at 10.0 has ~460mm of pen. The tech tree 10.0 T-72B has the same amount. The T-72 has both higher pen and better armor in the stat cards, but what I'm trying to figure out here is if it is still good. It also has the fastest reload out of all three.

5th word : "99%"

Ok, exagerated stat from "highly personnal feeling" source.

Irrelevant.

[karabaş 🐕‍🦺]

TURMS-T used to be busted when it was 9.7, now it sucks ass in most cases,


for the XM-1 i always thought it was the worst tank possible at its BR, now i started playing it like a light tank and that thing can get nukes faster than people saying russian bias next update

[Cha Cha Real Rough]

No because the Bhishma exists at 10.3

No but for real, its not busted nor OP, i routinely do better in a challenger tank at the same BR

[The Great Buran]

its on the edge of being put at 10.3 but at 10.0 I wouldnt say its busted. but powerful yes.

[bastion of pragmatism]

busted in the way of being trash sure 😂