Do German tanks really suck that much ?

[dziadek]

OK...skills are important - and my skills are poor. I understand this, so there is no need to school me on improving these.

But the Tier II German tanks are kind of a joke:
-no engine power
-no speed
-no acceleration
-practically no reverse gear
-turret appears to be welded - it moves so slow
-paper armor
-angling the tank - practically no effect: it dies from a single hit at any point, at any angle,

Most maps require "close and personal" - and driving a German tank might as well be done w/o any ammo, since it will get killed anyway.

Is this only my impression ?

[๖ۣۜSpectral]

In my opinion no, I have german tanks up until tier 7 including leopard 2A6. From what I remember when I was low tier is to go for Panzer IV - it has a good cannon and ammo. Then you should go for Tiger and panther. Tiger II and 105 are the best tanks from ww2 era in this game.

[๖ۣۜSpectral]

Originally posted by ๖ۣۜSpectral:

In my opinion no, I have german tanks up until tier 7 including leopard 2A6. From what I remember when I was low tier is to go for Panzer IV - it has a good cannon and ammo. Then you should go for Tiger and panther. Tiger II and 105 are the best tanks from ww2 era in this game.

Only problem with german tanks is that they are becoming good after researching almost all modifications on them...This is a minus. For US and russians you can use their tanks decently without the need of all the upgrades...

[Lil,Doosher]

God the tier 2 to 1 german tanks are horrible I used to play this game as a 9 year old and I quit the game from. Those tanks

[-reno-FR-]

Originally posted by dziadek:

OK...skills are important - and my skills are poor. I understand this, so there is no need to school me on improving these.

But the Tier II German tanks are kind of a joke:
-no engine power
-no speed
-no acceleration
-practically no reverse gear
-turret appears to be welded - it moves so slow
-paper armor
-angling the tank - practically no effect: it dies from a single hit at any point, at any angle,

Most maps require "close and personal" - and driving a German tank might as well be done w/o any ammo, since it will get killed anyway.

Is this only my impression ?

German Tanks don't suck.

YOU suck.

In you imaginary, German Tanks are uber killing roxxor death machines, the Superman of the tanks.
In reality and ingame, they were pretty good but in the good (and TRAINED) hands.

Ingame, you must learn how to use them.

If you let your imaginary to take the lead, you will go from defeat to defeat & get oneshotted over & over.
Even the day you unlock the Tigers & the Panthers.

And also it seems you are confusing Panzers with Tigers.
Angling will begin to work with the Panzers, but they are not as armored as Tigers.
And being angled well versus the ennemy X is good, but if the ennemy Y is also near, maybe you can't be well angled for BOTH.

To say it short : it's a skill issue, but don't think I am joking & telling it to you in a bad way.
German tanks of the 2nd World War are pretty good, but they are requiring a real technically use.
And most of the players that are trying them will be disappointed because they think it is easy.
You will need to practice over & over & over.
Like every aspects of the game is requiring such training, BTW.


That's why you will see on those forums a lot of threads "Germany Suffers" (= they think it is a magical stuff & are not able to manage them) & "Nerf Germany" (= here are the players who met opponents able to use wisely German Tanks).

[Lil,Doosher]

Originally posted by -reno-FR-:

Originally posted by dziadek:

OK...skills are important - and my skills are poor. I understand this, so there is no need to school me on improving these.

But the Tier II German tanks are kind of a joke:
-no engine power
-no speed
-no acceleration
-practically no reverse gear
-turret appears to be welded - it moves so slow
-paper armor
-angling the tank - practically no effect: it dies from a single hit at any point, at any angle,

Most maps require "close and personal" - and driving a German tank might as well be done w/o any ammo, since it will get killed anyway.

Is this only my impression ?

German Tanks don't suck.

YOU suck.

In you imaginary, German Tanks are uber killing roxxor death machines, the Superman of the tanks.
In reality and ingame, they were pretty good but in the good (and TRAINED) hands.

Ingame, you must learn how to use them.

If you let your imaginary to take the lead, you will go from defeat to defeat & get oneshotted over & over.
Even the day you unlock the Tigers & the Panthers.

And also it seems you are confusing Panzers with Tigers.
Angling will begin to work with the Panzers, but they are not as armored as Tigers.
And being angled well versus the ennemy X is good, but if the ennemy Y is also near, maybe you can't be well angled for BOTH.

To say it short : it's a skill issue, but don't think I am joking & telling it to you in a bad way.
German tanks of the 2nd World War are pretty good, but they are requiring a real technically use.
And most of the players that are trying them will be disappointed because they think it is easy.

That's why you will see on those forums a lot of threads "Germany Suffers" (= they think it is a magical stuff & are not able to manage them) & "Nerf Germany" (= here are the players who met opponents able to use wisely German Tanks).

German tanks get good at rank 3. 2 and 1 they are the worst tanks ever

[dziadek]

OK, thanks...
It appears that Panzers G,H and J have ONLY weak spots. Any hit, from any angle is a 100% penetration and you are dead...
OTOH, I shot a T-34 9 times after it was immobilised - to the side of turret and the fuselage, from a distance of 20 meters. Then I moved to its rear - and shot it couple of times at different spots - still it lived, fixed itself, rotated the turret and killed me.
If this is not a joke - what is ?

[-reno-FR-]

Originally posted by Lil,Doosher:

Originally posted by -reno-FR-:

German Tanks don't suck.

YOU suck.

In you imaginary, German Tanks are uber killing roxxor death machines, the Superman of the tanks.
In reality and ingame, they were pretty good but in the good (and TRAINED) hands.

Ingame, you must learn how to use them.

If you let your imaginary to take the lead, you will go from defeat to defeat & get oneshotted over & over.
Even the day you unlock the Tigers & the Panthers.

And also it seems you are confusing Panzers with Tigers.
Angling will begin to work with the Panzers, but they are not as armored as Tigers.
And being angled well versus the ennemy X is good, but if the ennemy Y is also near, maybe you can't be well angled for BOTH.

To say it short : it's a skill issue, but don't think I am joking & telling it to you in a bad way.
German tanks of the 2nd World War are pretty good, but they are requiring a real technically use.
And most of the players that are trying them will be disappointed because they think it is easy.

That's why you will see on those forums a lot of threads "Germany Suffers" (= they think it is a magical stuff & are not able to manage them) & "Nerf Germany" (= here are the players who met opponents able to use wisely German Tanks).

German tanks get good at rank 3. 2 and 1 they are the worst tanks ever

In bad hands, yes.

[Lil,Doosher]

Originally posted by -reno-FR-:

Originally posted by Lil,Doosher:

German tanks get good at rank 3. 2 and 1 they are the worst tanks ever

In bad hands, yes.

I recently revised 2 and 1 playing with a friend I tried out the German tanks there they are horrible I'm sorry to say but Germany is bad at 2 and 1 also in 3 and 4 they aren't that overpowered its just they have good heavy tanks then people complaine about a heavy tank well being a heavy tank

[torindechoza]

Originally posted by dziadek:

OK, thanks...
It appears that Panzers G,H and J have ONLY weak spots. Any hit, from any angle is a 100% penetration and you are dead...
OTOH, I shot a T-34 9 times after it was immobilised - to the side of turret and the fuselage, from a distance of 20 meters. Then I moved to its rear - and shot it couple of times at different spots - still it lived, fixed itself, rotated the turret and killed me.
If this is not a joke - what is ?

The armor of the Pz4 is bad, but the cannon is better than the others.
The simple way to prevail is not getting shot. And learn where to shoot at on the different enemies.
Experience will improve this. And to not get shot at, learn to listen to the audio and mini map. Use cover.

[dziadek]

Originally posted by -reno-FR-:

Originally posted by dziadek:

OK...skills are important - and my skills are poor. I understand this, so there is no need to school me on improving these.

But the Tier II German tanks are kind of a joke:
-no engine power
-no speed
-no acceleration
-practically no reverse gear
-turret appears to be welded - it moves so slow
-paper armor
-angling the tank - practically no effect: it dies from a single hit at any point, at any angle,

Most maps require "close and personal" - and driving a German tank might as well be done w/o any ammo, since it will get killed anyway.

Is this only my impression ?

German Tanks don't suck.

YOU suck.

In you imaginary, German Tanks are uber killing roxxor death machines, the Superman of the tanks.
In reality and ingame, they were pretty good but in the good (and TRAINED) hands.

Ingame, you must learn how to use them.

If you let your imaginary to take the lead, you will go from defeat to defeat & get oneshotted over & over.
Even the day you unlock the Tigers & the Panthers.

And also it seems you are confusing Panzers with Tigers.
Angling will begin to work with the Panzers, but they are not as armored as Tigers.
And being angled well versus the ennemy X is good, but if the ennemy Y is also near, maybe you can't be well angled for BOTH.

To say it short : it's a skill issue, but don't think I am joking & telling it to you in a bad way.
German tanks of the 2nd World War are pretty good, but they are requiring a real technically use.
And most of the players that are trying them will be disappointed because they think it is easy.
You will need to practice over & over & over.
Like every aspects of the game is requiring such training, BTW.


That's why you will see on those forums a lot of threads "Germany Suffers" (= they think it is a magical stuff & are not able to manage them) & "Nerf Germany" (= here are the players who met opponents able to use wisely German Tanks).

I already stated that I need to learn a lot, so no need to get on your high horse.

And no - I do not think that "German Tanks are uber killing roxxor death machines". This is your conjecture - and incorrect one at that. But the list of isssues (my original post) is real - please tell me that this is not true - so maybe you will manage to be objective and of some help.

[-reno-FR-]

Originally posted by dziadek:

Originally posted by -reno-FR-:

German Tanks don't suck.

YOU suck.

In you imaginary, German Tanks are uber killing roxxor death machines, the Superman of the tanks.
In reality and ingame, they were pretty good but in the good (and TRAINED) hands.

Ingame, you must learn how to use them.

If you let your imaginary to take the lead, you will go from defeat to defeat & get oneshotted over & over.
Even the day you unlock the Tigers & the Panthers.

And also it seems you are confusing Panzers with Tigers.
Angling will begin to work with the Panzers, but they are not as armored as Tigers.
And being angled well versus the ennemy X is good, but if the ennemy Y is also near, maybe you can't be well angled for BOTH.

To say it short : it's a skill issue, but don't think I am joking & telling it to you in a bad way.
German tanks of the 2nd World War are pretty good, but they are requiring a real technically use.
And most of the players that are trying them will be disappointed because they think it is easy.
You will need to practice over & over & over.
Like every aspects of the game is requiring such training, BTW.


That's why you will see on those forums a lot of threads "Germany Suffers" (= they think it is a magical stuff & are not able to manage them) & "Nerf Germany" (= here are the players who met opponents able to use wisely German Tanks).

I already stated that I need to learn a lot, so no need to get on your high horse.

And no - I do not think that "German Tanks are uber killing roxxor death machines". This is your conjecture - and incorrect one at that. But the list of isssues (my original post) is real - please tell me that this is not true - so maybe you will manage to be objective and of some help.

You are misunderstanding the general tone of my message, man.
Sorry if you felt agressed, but by reading usual complaints the way German Stuff is seen is often like what I said & people get desillusions. A shock between the popular image & the "reality".
I just wanted to warn you in case of it could have been that.
Now, if my advises are taken like "I get on my high horse", well, good luck with the game.

[Shyue Chou]

Rank 2 German tanks are fine, they are pretty competitive, especially with HEAT.

[-reno-FR-]

Originally posted by Shyue Chou:

Rank 2 German tanks are fine, they are pretty competitive, especially with HEAT. :knightstyranny:

Don't waste your time.
They decided to say & think that German stuff sucks, so better say to them that German stuff sucks.
They will be happy & continue suffer (because for sure German stuff sucks but they will continue using it).
If you give them advise, if you try to undestand what may have been wrong, it will not help them.
They have yet their own opinions & will not change it at all.

[Akagi]

Well I obviously don't know what rank 2 tanks you exactly are talking about, but the average German tank at that br should be treated as a glass cannon: Very good gun, questionable armor.

You're not supposed to angle those tanks at all, maybe wiggle a bit when it comes to the late Pz III and IVs, but never just stand their slightly showing your side and expect it to work like a Tiger.

Try to avoid brawling, you're best suited as a medium to long distance sniper where other medium tanks guns struggle to penetrate you and if you find yourself in a brawl, make sure to shoot fast as you can take out most tanks with the long 75mm without worrying about weakspots too much (unless we talk about T-34s and KV-1s).

You could also try using the 5 second reload of the (late) Pz IIIs to bait some shots since the usual tank it faces has like 6-7 seconds of reload

Just focus on getting the Pz IV F2, G and H, the Sd Kfz 234/2 and the Sd Kfz 251/21 and later the Wirbelwind (basically best SPAA at this br) and you have a very potent line up

[b4ry]

Originally posted by dziadek:

OK, thanks...
It appears that Panzers G,H and J have ONLY weak spots. Any hit, from any angle is a 100% penetration and you are dead...
OTOH, I shot a T-34 9 times after it was immobilised - to the side of turret and the fuselage, from a distance of 20 meters. Then I moved to its rear - and shot it couple of times at different spots - still it lived, fixed itself, rotated the turret and killed me.
If this is not a joke - what is ?

It is called Stalinium and Russian bias that do not exist in this game but somehow when you play Russia your skills skyrocket.