Dodging Aim-9L at 9.7 with no flares???

[ProfessorParker]

Literally impossible. The A-10 going 500 kph can launch an Aim-9l at a jet flying away from it over mach 1 at 1km away and easily kill it and the jet has zero counter.

[Vriz]

Well yeah, you're only 1km away and the missile can reach Mach 2. Even against R-60s, that's already a tough call and their range is limited. Hell, unless your airframe can casually pull 10+g's and roll, wont escape Aim-9js either

[JuX]

Seems more like a case of skill issue if you died to it flying at mach speed.


When you launch the missile at slow speed like the A-10. It's range is very limited and especially when target is flying at mach speed to drain it's energy to chase it.

And secondly don't get why would you go in front of A-10 at 1km distance. When you can outmaneuver it easily. But even so you can shootdown the AIM-9L with IR missile of your own.


Iv flown the A-10 in realistic air battles and it's constantly on the defensive, cause everyone els can just outmaneuver you.

You have much harder time against MIg-21 and it's R-60's without flares then A-10 with AIM-9L. As you can't outrun it and can't out turn the R-60, but can only hope it fires the missile too early for you to drain it's energy.

[ProfessorParker]

Originally posted by JuX:

Seems more like a case of skill issue if you died to it flying at mach speed.


When you launch the missile at slow speed like the A-10. It's range is very limited and especially when target is flying at mach speed to drain it's energy to chase it.

And secondly don't get why would you go in front of A-10 at 1km distance. When you can outmaneuver it easily. But even so you can shootdown the AIM-9L with IR missile of your own.


Iv flown the A-10 in realistic air battles and it's constantly on the defensive, cause everyone els can just outmaneuver you.

You have much harder time against MIg-21 and it's R-60's without flares then A-10 with AIM-9L. As you can't outrun it and can't out turn the R-60, but can only hope it fires the missile too early for you to drain it's energy.

Have you ever faced the A-10? How about you actually play the game and then get back to me.

[JuX]

Originally posted by ProfessorParker:

Originally posted by JuX:

Seems more like a case of skill issue if you died to it flying at mach speed.


When you launch the missile at slow speed like the A-10. It's range is very limited and especially when target is flying at mach speed to drain it's energy to chase it.

And secondly don't get why would you go in front of A-10 at 1km distance. When you can outmaneuver it easily. But even so you can shootdown the AIM-9L with IR missile of your own.


Iv flown the A-10 in realistic air battles and it's constantly on the defensive, cause everyone els can just outmaneuver you.

You have much harder time against MIg-21 and it's R-60's without flares then A-10 with AIM-9L. As you can't outrun it and can't out turn the R-60, but can only hope it fires the missile too early for you to drain it's energy.

Have you ever faced the A-10? How about you actually play the game and then get back to me.

Yes. My first A-10 kill was with F-86 Saber (8.3) in ground realistic and my multiple next ones were in F3H-2 (9.7 at the time). Cause at these high tiers air battles US constantly plays against itself.

[Grant]

Originally posted by ProfessorParker:

Originally posted by JuX:

Seems more like a case of skill issue if you died to it flying at mach speed.


When you launch the missile at slow speed like the A-10. It's range is very limited and especially when target is flying at mach speed to drain it's energy to chase it.

And secondly don't get why would you go in front of A-10 at 1km distance. When you can outmaneuver it easily. But even so you can shootdown the AIM-9L with IR missile of your own.


Iv flown the A-10 in realistic air battles and it's constantly on the defensive, cause everyone els can just outmaneuver you.

You have much harder time against MIg-21 and it's R-60's without flares then A-10 with AIM-9L. As you can't outrun it and can't out turn the R-60, but can only hope it fires the missile too early for you to drain it's energy.

Have you ever faced the A-10? How about you actually play the game and then get back to me.

Two tips
1. Engaged the A-10 diagonally, as by the time the A-10 can turn around to use its AIM-9L, you would have create enough distance to be out of range.
2. Wait for the best attack runs before engaging. A-10s are slow and therefore easy to target if you don't make dumb maneuvers.

[Kyorger]

Originally posted by ProfessorParker:

Originally posted by JuX:

Seems more like a case of skill issue if you died to it flying at mach speed.


When you launch the missile at slow speed like the A-10. It's range is very limited and especially when target is flying at mach speed to drain it's energy to chase it.

And secondly don't get why would you go in front of A-10 at 1km distance. When you can outmaneuver it easily. But even so you can shootdown the AIM-9L with IR missile of your own.


Iv flown the A-10 in realistic air battles and it's constantly on the defensive, cause everyone els can just outmaneuver you.

You have much harder time against MIg-21 and it's R-60's without flares then A-10 with AIM-9L. As you can't outrun it and can't out turn the R-60, but can only hope it fires the missile too early for you to drain it's energy.

Have you ever faced the A-10? How about you actually play the game and then get back to me.

A10s are easy to deal with if you know how to use your gun but if you don't have any flares I cam understand why the a10 is so annoying

[✿Sqüirrel✿]

Originally posted by ProfessorParker:

Literally impossible. The A-10 going 500 kph can launch an Aim-9l at a jet flying away from it over mach 1 at 1km away and easily kill it and the jet has zero counter.

Please learn proper use of the word "literally". The a10 is one of the easiest planes to deal with at that tier. I was so happy when I saw them on the other team, flareless j35 and I'd just fly past them, make their missile wiff, come in behind and kill them. There was absolutely nothing they could do about it.

[French Cat]

Originally posted by ProfessorParker:

Literally impossible. The A-10 going 500 kph can launch an Aim-9l at a jet flying away from it over mach 1 at 1km away and easily kill it and the jet has zero counter.

Yea you were too close to begin with. The A-10 is so slow that it's 9Ls don't really have range to deal with targets flying away from it. You just don't know how to engage it.

[chicks99]

Originally posted by ProfessorParker:

Literally impossible. The A-10 going 500 kph can launch an Aim-9l at a jet flying away from it over mach 1 at 1km away and easily kill it and the jet has zero counter.

Yeah, impossible to kinematically defeat a 30g missile launched from directly behind you just barely outside of gun range, but what's not impossible is to not be in that situation in the first place.

A10s are subsonic (AKA Slow AF) and has 0 initiative, what this means is that it will not be able to force you into a fight, anybody in a faster plane can decide whether they want to shoot or scoot. If you decide to engage an A10 and die because you don't have the capability to safely deal with its all aspect 30g missile (namely flares or super maneuverability) then that's kind of your fault, you can just target another enemy you feel more confident against or my good old friends, ground targets.

[Chad Chungus]

Originally posted by JuX:

Seems more like a case of skill issue if you died to it flying at mach speed.


When you launch the missile at slow speed like the A-10. It's range is very limited and especially when target is flying at mach speed to drain it's energy to chase it.

And secondly don't get why would you go in front of A-10 at 1km distance. When you can outmaneuver it easily. But even so you can shootdown the AIM-9L with IR missile of your own.


Iv flown the A-10 in realistic air battles and it's constantly on the defensive, cause everyone els can just outmaneuver you.

You have much harder time against MIg-21 and it's R-60's without flares then A-10 with AIM-9L. As you can't outrun it and can't out turn the R-60, but can only hope it fires the missile too early for you to drain it's energy.

i have a feeling youre either lost in the sauce or havent played the a10. the a10 has unbelievable maneuverability. way better than basically any other plane

not to mention the 9L can go like 6km vertically and beam someone

seen and experienced that ^ firsthand, so the speed factor is just wrong

[Chad Chungus]

Originally posted by French Cat:

Originally posted by ProfessorParker:

Literally impossible. The A-10 going 500 kph can launch an Aim-9l at a jet flying away from it over mach 1 at 1km away and easily kill it and the jet has zero counter.

Yea you were too close to begin with. The A-10 is so slow that it's 9Ls don't really have range to deal with targets flying away from it. You just don't know how to engage it.

very untrue. 9Ls from a10s can still easily go 6km even at an incline

[ProfessorParker]

So everyone thinks facing 30g all-aspect missiles at 9.0 is balanced?

[Aegis270]

If you can, bring a rocket pod. A single rocket will consistently spoof AIM-9Ls (And all other IR missiles you'll see at that tier, for that matter) if you aren't rear aspect and afterburning.

If you see an A10, keep a generous distance above and away from him, and stay fast. He can't get a missile solution on you unless you let him. If one is closing and you don't have the speed or altitude to avoid him firing the missile, pull side aspect, drop your afterburner and fire your rocket once he fires. Then you can have your way with him. They can pull hard, but they bleed speed like a stuck pig from doing it, just go into the vertical and you'll easily win the dogfight in just about any vehicle at the tier.

[French Cat]

Originally posted by Chad Chungus:

Originally posted by French Cat:

Yea you were too close to begin with. The A-10 is so slow that it's 9Ls don't really have range to deal with targets flying away from it. You just don't know how to engage it.

very untrue. 9Ls from a10s can still easily go 6km even at an incline

never happened to me. 9ls for me sputter and die after 2 miles

[JuX]

Originally posted by Chad Chungus:

Originally posted by JuX:

Seems more like a case of skill issue if you died to it flying at mach speed.


When you launch the missile at slow speed like the A-10. It's range is very limited and especially when target is flying at mach speed to drain it's energy to chase it.

And secondly don't get why would you go in front of A-10 at 1km distance. When you can outmaneuver it easily. But even so you can shootdown the AIM-9L with IR missile of your own.


Iv flown the A-10 in realistic air battles and it's constantly on the defensive, cause everyone els can just outmaneuver you.

You have much harder time against MIg-21 and it's R-60's without flares then A-10 with AIM-9L. As you can't outrun it and can't out turn the R-60, but can only hope it fires the missile too early for you to drain it's energy.

i have a feeling youre either lost in the sauce or havent played the a10. the a10 has unbelievable maneuverability. way better than basically any other plane

not to mention the 9L can go like 6km vertically and beam someone

seen and experienced that ^ firsthand, so the speed factor is just wrong

It's mostly just byproduct of it's subsonic nature. Lot of players fly too fast dogfighting it and you just turn inside their turn circle. Lot of players don't even seem to know they can correct this mistake with the use of the vertical where A-10 cannot follow.

A-10 is only good at dogfighting long as it's opponents keep making mistakes. And this tends to happen constantly as they are often impatient.

Iv flown and shotdown plenty of A-10's and haven't had issues with it.

Originally posted by ProfessorParker:

So everyone thinks facing 30g all-aspect missiles at 9.0 is balanced?

A-10 is the slowest aircraft around so engaging it is optional, since it can never catch you. And you can shootdown the AIM-9L with a IR missile if you want to.

It's much easier to deal with then Mig-21, A-5C, F-5C. etc.