How much profit is Gaijin making?

[joshuagaming69]

How much do you guys think gaijin is making in profit per year? Gaijin is very secretive about this so what do you guys think

[Canadian Guitar]

Enough

[nosh]

Massive amounts, here's why:

Micro Transactions are insanely strong revenue generators.
The game is optimized to the edge with gambling and other psychological mechanics
They mostly focus on adding/selling new vehicles instead of improving gameplay
They sell single vehicles for the price of a whole game, and you see those everywhere ingame
... They don't provide numbers.

So yeah, I don't know the numbers, but they're making a ton of money in my opinion.

[Jaes]

Gaijin is able to keep several games that don't have huge player bases afloat while actively developing new ones.

Gaijin wouldn't be able to do that if they weren't making bank. Gaijin also recently Open Sourced the Dragor engine, which is their in house game engine.

They're doing good.

[karabaş 🐕‍🦺]

a lot

[Eftwyrd]

Did a little quick napkin math on this in another thread a while back and I don’t think it’s anywhere near as high as people assume

To reiterate according to Wikipedia gaijin has between 200 and 500 employees

Assuming the lower number and using the approximate average monthly income in Hungary according to google of 1500 usd

Just to pay 200 staff the average income they need to sell somewhere upwards of four thousand 70 dollar premiums per month

This is before such things as electricity, internet, server costs, office space, tax… working for a major telco I can tell you those utilities won’t be cheap, we charge massive amounts for businesses who get access to a corporate service desk with almost no wait times and very fast fault response, we are talking millions

And bear in mind not only may they have twice that many people, developers are probably being payed well above average. Of course they do have other properties which some may be working on so 200 is probably a fair ballpark

[joshuagaming69]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Did a little quick napkin match on this a while back and I don’t think it’s anywhere near as high as people assume

To reiterate according to Wikipedia gaijin has between 200 and 500 employees

Assuming the lower number and using the approximate average monthly income in Hungary according to google of 1500 usd

Just to pay 200 staff the average income they need to sell somewhere upwards of four thousand 70 dollar premiums per month

This is before such things as electricity, internet, server costs, office space, tax…

And bear in mind not only may they have twice that many people, developers are probably being payed well above average. Of course they do have other properties which some may be working on so 200 is probably a fair ballpark

Ok well if we listen to gaijin then we can presume that Gaijin is bankrupt. Gaijin (and you) are caliming lets say 10% of the people on right now will buy 70$ of premium or vehicles for the month. Mind you gaijin claims only 2%~ of the people who play pay money. That would mean gaijin would make 700,000$ monthly. Lets say they have 300 active employees making 12,500 each month (Gaijin employees/graphic designers/editors make upwards of 150,000 per month at least). Gaijin would be paying a Salery of around 4 million! Per month! So that is a deficit of like 3 million. Not even taking into account the server costs, the rent, electrictiy, ect ect. I think that gaijin is blytantly lying and they are making a LOT more money then their vauge claims suggest. But again Gaijin is super secretive about this. Im sure they dont want people to know that they are getting millions of dollars of revenue but havent made a new map for tanks since last year.

[mogami_99]

Hungary has low 9% cooperate tax

[joshuagaming69]

Originally posted by mogami_99:

Hungary has low 9% cooperate tax

That is actually more then california still

[Canadian Guitar]

Originally posted by SCHUTZANZUG:

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Did a little quick napkin match on this a while back and I don’t think it’s anywhere near as high as people assume

To reiterate according to Wikipedia gaijin has between 200 and 500 employees

Assuming the lower number and using the approximate average monthly income in Hungary according to google of 1500 usd

Just to pay 200 staff the average income they need to sell somewhere upwards of four thousand 70 dollar premiums per month

This is before such things as electricity, internet, server costs, office space, tax…

And bear in mind not only may they have twice that many people, developers are probably being payed well above average. Of course they do have other properties which some may be working on so 200 is probably a fair ballpark

Ok well if we listen to gaijin then we can presume that Gaijin is bankrupt. Gaijin (and you) are caliming lets say 10% of the people on right now will buy 70$ of premium or vehicles for the month. Mind you gaijin claims only 2%~ of the people who play pay money. That would mean gaijin would make 700,000$ monthly. Lets say they have 300 active employees making 12,500 each month (Gaijin employees/graphic designers/editors make upwards of 150,000 per month at least). Gaijin would be paying a Salery of around 4 million! Per month! So that is a deficit of like 3 million. Not even taking into account the server costs, the rent, electrictiy, ect ect. I think that gaijin is blytantly lying and they are making a LOT more money then their vauge claims suggest. But again Gaijin is super secretive about this. Im sure they dont want people to know that they are getting millions of dollars of revenue but havent made a new map for tanks since last year.

You said yourself they don't release figures, so how would they be lying about something they never said in the first place?

Flanders was added Oct 31
Test Site — 2271 was added Sept 2023
Seversk Winter Added March 7 (as well as Ardennes and Maginot Line winter)

[joshuagaming69]

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

Originally posted by SCHUTZANZUG:

Ok well if we listen to gaijin then we can presume that Gaijin is bankrupt. Gaijin (and you) are caliming lets say 10% of the people on right now will buy 70$ of premium or vehicles for the month. Mind you gaijin claims only 2%~ of the people who play pay money. That would mean gaijin would make 700,000$ monthly. Lets say they have 300 active employees making 12,500 each month (Gaijin employees/graphic designers/editors make upwards of 150,000 per month at least). Gaijin would be paying a Salery of around 4 million! Per month! So that is a deficit of like 3 million. Not even taking into account the server costs, the rent, electrictiy, ect ect. I think that gaijin is blytantly lying and they are making a LOT more money then their vauge claims suggest. But again Gaijin is super secretive about this. Im sure they dont want people to know that they are getting millions of dollars of revenue but havent made a new map for tanks since last year.

You said yourself they don't release figures, so how would they be lying about something they never said in the first place?

Flanders was added Oct 31
Test Site — 2271 was added Sept 2023
Seversk Winter Added March 7 (as well as Ardennes and Maginot Line winter)

I literally just said they claim that only around 1-2% of players make money, this what they said during may when everybody was mad at gaijin because of their lack of content/horrendous grind... and updateing pre existing maps doenst count as a new map.. I think ive argued with you before adn your a little gaijin sucker, but what your saying doent add up when speaking about how "little money gaijin makes" and other BS like that.

[Canadian Guitar]

Originally posted by SCHUTZANZUG:

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

You said yourself they don't release figures, so how would they be lying about something they never said in the first place?

Flanders was added Oct 31
Test Site — 2271 was added Sept 2023
Seversk Winter Added March 7 (as well as Ardennes and Maginot Line winter)

I literally just said they claim that only around 1-2% of players make money, this what they said during may when everybody was mad at gaijin because of their lack of content/horrendous grind... and updateing pre existing maps doenst count as a new map.. I think ive argued with you before adn your a little gaijin sucker, but what your saying doent add up when speaking about how "little money gaijin makes" and other BS like that.

So the two maps added aren't new?

For someone so worked up about Gaijin "blytantly lying" you seem to have no issue doing it though

[xCrossFaith]

Quite a lot, they can keep servers up for games that have been "dead" for years without worrying much about improving their most lucrative ones

[flat_Lander1]

Judging by how many premium vehicles i see every match i'd say they are not even remotely broke as they say

[joshuagaming69]

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

Originally posted by SCHUTZANZUG:

I literally just said they claim that only around 1-2% of players make money, this what they said during may when everybody was mad at gaijin because of their lack of content/horrendous grind... and updateing pre existing maps doenst count as a new map.. I think ive argued with you before adn your a little gaijin sucker, but what your saying doent add up when speaking about how "little money gaijin makes" and other BS like that.

So the two maps added aren't new?

For someone so worked up about Gaijin "blytantly lying" you seem to have no issue doing it though

I mean i completely, thoroughly dismantled your argument and now your bringing up something so small as the fact that a (probably hundreds of million dollar corporation) can only add 2 maps in 12 months? I mean i completely just destroyed the whole myth and rhetoric by corporate suckers that gaijin is 'hardly making enough money to pay the bills' or that they are a 'small busisness in need of funding'. Whats next? should we start tipping them like we do with our landlords?

[Canadian Guitar]

Originally posted by SCHUTZANZUG:

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

So the two maps added aren't new?

For someone so worked up about Gaijin "blytantly lying" you seem to have no issue doing it though

I mean i completely, thoroughly dismantled your argument and now your bringing up something so small as the fact that a (probably hundreds of million dollar corporation) can only add 2 maps in 12 months? I mean i completely just destroyed the whole myth and rhetoric by corporate suckers that gaijin is 'hardly making enough money to pay the bills' or that they are a 'small busisness in need of funding'. Whats next? should we start tipping them like we do with our landlords?

You didn't destroy anything.
You blatantly lied, which is what you're upset with Gaijin for doing.
Full stop.

2 > 0, if you want to talk strictly new.
Not to mention the maps that were changed this year, which was 5-7 without digging too far. You don't actually care about facts, so I'm not going to bother.
Be careful moving your goalposts so much though, you'll ruin the turf