Why are teams so bad?

[ItsWalter]

I just had one of these moments where you ask yourself if there are bots in the game. My entire team ignored the single cap point there was on the map Japan. Not a single one even attempted to get close. They just drove middle and camped. Meanwhile cap is ticking down our tickets... So either the average player is incredibly stupid or there are definitely bots.

[Cha Cha Real Rough]

Was it germany?

[Marf]

I agree, there has always been weird things going on in this game, how is it you can have one battle that goes really well and you get a few kills, then next you get one shot on all three tanks from the other side of the map? Skill? I don't think so. Literally just happened to me, game is rigged by RNG imo, always has been..

[Velesianus]

A little of column A and a little of column B.

There are definitely more bots than there used to be, especially several years ago, but they're still a small minority.

A lot of the problem is the combination of a high learning curve and the free to play model. In most games where you see that you also get the same phenomenon of the average player being, frankly, bad.

It doesn't help that the bigger youtubers rarely cap, decap or defend contested positions. This does actually makes sense, you want your higher skill players focusing on turning the kill feed blue, but that nuance is lost on most of their viewers it seems.

[torindechoza]

Originally posted by Velesianus:

A lot of the problem is the combination of a high learning curve and the free to play model.

you think that players that pay are more skilled in some way?

[mogami_99]

OP didn't take the cap either. Unless he died 5 times trying he is part of his team.

[torindechoza]

Originally posted by mogami_99:

OP didn't take the cap either. Unless he died 5 times trying he is part of his team.

If he died 5 times he is not part of the team?

[ItsWalter]

Originally posted by mogami_99:

OP didn't take the cap either. Unless he died 5 times trying he is part of his team.

Me and 1 other dude actually tried to cap. But since the enemy team wasn´t as bad, they quickly outflanked and killed me in my casemate TD. Meanwhile the rest drove around without clear goal and apparently did anything to stay away from the cap.

[Velesianus]

Originally posted by torindechoza:

Originally posted by Velesianus:

A lot of the problem is the combination of a high learning curve and the free to play model.

you think that players that pay are more skilled in some way?

What? Swing and a miss lol.

No, that's not at all what I wrote. It's not about skill, it's about commitment.

Free to play isn't a bad thing but it does means WAY more kids and casuals in the player base. These two demographics as a whole are notorious for not taking games as seriously.

They can still do great in a bog standard shooter but when a high learning curve is involved it tends to make them far less effective players on average.

It's just the way it is and the way it always has been, at least in the two decades that I've been playing online pvp games.

[torindechoza]

Originally posted by Velesianus:

No, that's not at all what I wrote. It's not about skill, it's about commitment.

Its interesting. Most of the time players complain about people buying their way into high tiers to skip the grind.
Its the opposite to commitment.

[mogami_99]

Originally posted by torindechoza:

Originally posted by mogami_99:

OP didn't take the cap either. Unless he died 5 times trying he is part of his team.

If he died 5 times he is not part of the team?

That is not what I said.

[torindechoza]

what you said is quoted in my message.

[Velesianus]

Originally posted by torindechoza:

Originally posted by Velesianus:

No, that's not at all what I wrote. It's not about skill, it's about commitment.

Its interesting. Most of the time players complain about people buying their way into high tiers to skip the grind.
Its the opposite to commitment.

What are talking about?

You still seem to think that I'm saying wallet warriors are better than freemium players.

Follow me here:

The threads topic is about players that are so passive and unskilled that they're almost indistinguishable from bots.

I pointed out that these sorts of players are extremely common in free to play games because the barrier to entry is just HDD space.

F2P games just get a lot more kids and casuals playing them and they typically don't do as well in games with high learning curves.

[torindechoza]

Originally posted by Velesianus:

I pointed out that these sorts of players are extremely common in free to play games because the barrier to entry is just HDD space.

how about no?

Originally posted by Velesianus:

Free to play isn't a bad thing but it does means WAY more kids and casuals in the player base. These two demographics as a whole are notorious for not taking games as seriously.

You say that the kids that do not have a credit card and casual players that wont pay are likely to be the passive players. Every time i say something the meaning shift and change.

[Kebaben]

People ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ suck at this game, blame the premium spam

[mogami_99]

Originally posted by torindechoza:

what you said is quoted in my message.

Yes and you missed the "Unless" part. (again) Meaning if he had died 5 times trying to cap he would certainly have been different then the rest of his team. (the do nothings) Since he didn't die 5 times trying to cap he is part of his team.