Everyone always complain about the Russians but what about the Chinese

[9imperator8]

Russians might be completely broken at top tier, but i feel like the Chinese are totally broken near 8.7. They get vehicles with the performance that others get at 9.3-9.7 and at 8.7 even 7.7 vehicles have to constantly fight these.

Tandem atgms, apfsds, thermals and stabilizers on very fast platforms.
A gepard (gepard is one of the best spaas for its tier in the game) + a very good proximity fused spaa.
Tank filled with era, while being one of the earliest era in the game.

I'm just losing my mind fighting them.

[michel_blade]

Soviets, not russians. There are just a few russian vehicles, and they are just upgrades of soviet ones.

Chinese are strong, true, but I never found them to be a problem. I have never seen entire team suddenly wiped out by Chinese tanks in single encounter. I have never seen a Chinese tank fighting 5 other tanks and winning. I have never seen a Chinese tank making my kinetic shells just disappear on hit. Maybe it is because they are less popular, but I see them regularly, so I don't think that's the case.

[Lil,Doosher]

Let's be honest itally is broken they have like 1 11.7 vehicle that's to many also have you when seen there light tank I trembal in boots thinking about it

[torindechoza]

Originally posted by alarik98:

Tandem atgms, apfsds, thermals and stabilizers on very fast platforms.

Which vehicle at 8.7 has tandem?
Which vehicle has thermal, stabilizer and is fast on 8.7?
Im playing these tanks in 8.0 - 8.7 and the chinese tanks are worse than tanks on the same br on other nations.

Garmany has TAM at 8.7 fast and stabilized. Japz with thermals and laser rangefinder. Plus fast reload. A jet with 4 guided missiles.
The soviets get a lineup that is 100x better than the chinese.
Which nation are you playing that you feel has worse tanks???

[Shyue Chou]

Their top rank tanks at 11.7 can be destroyed by HEAT frontally and also from the sides.

[Pec]

I would say they are bellow average as a whole at the br with only 1 or 2 exceptions i have never seen them survive a penetration for their mbts as unlike soviets they get normal spall and ammo detonations so with that compact layout they almost never survive a penetration

[jaxjace]

China is one of the strongest nations in the game on paper. But the players... leave a bit to be desired.

[torindechoza]

Originally posted by jaxjace:

China is one of the strongest nations in the game on paper. But the players... leave a bit to be desired.

"on paper" where?
What br or lineup is better than which other of another nation?
crickets next i suppose.

[flat_Lander1]

Originally posted by torindechoza:

Originally posted by jaxjace:

China is one of the strongest nations in the game on paper. But the players... leave a bit to be desired.

"on paper" where?
What br or lineup is better than which other of another nation?
crickets next i suppose.

akshualy they have strongest t-54s in the game with stab and laser at the same BR as soviet ones
it was very funny when premium ztz59a had a stab and laser at 7.7

[torindechoza]

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

akshualy they have strongest t-54s in the game with stab and laser at the same BR as soviet ones
it was very funny when premium ztz59a had a stab and laser at 7.7

china doesnt have T54s.
I assume you are talking about the 8.0 Type 69. If you ever used you will see that its not better.
An actual T54 has a APCBC round that pens more than the dart round the Type has.
More so the lineup of the Soviets includes a light tank with 2 plane stabilizer, the Object 906.
ZTZ59a is a premium 8.0 tank. Of course is better having the russian APCBC round.
Any of these vehicles (t54 likes) have a slow turret rotation speed and not the meta of the br at all.

The 8.0 lineup the chinese have is composed of mediocre vehicles with the exception of the AA vehicle and the american plane.

[flat_Lander1]

Originally posted by torindechoza:

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

akshualy they have strongest t-54s in the game with stab and laser at the same BR as soviet ones
it was very funny when premium ztz59a had a stab and laser at 7.7

china doesnt have T54s.
I assume you are talking about the 8.0 Type 69. If you ever used you will see that its not better.
An actual T54 has a APCBC round that pens more than the dart round the Type has.
More so the lineup of the Soviets includes a light tank with 2 plane stabilizer, the Object 906.
ZTZ59a is a premium 8.0 tank. Of course is better having the russian APCBC round.
Any of these vehicles (t54 likes) have a slow turret rotation speed and not the meta of the br at all.

The 8.0 lineup the chinese have is composed of mediocre vehicles with the exception of the AA vehicle and the american plane.

no im not talking about type69 im talking about type 59 and ztz59a (which was 7.7 before decompression) thats if you didnt know just a chinese t54 which are better than the soviet t54 also i've played type69 and at 8.0 its still better than soviet t54

[torindechoza]

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

no im not talking about type69 im talking about type 59 and ztz59a

Type 59 does not get a laser rangefinder. So you actually werent.
And before the decompression T55A was 8.0

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

type69 and at 8.0 its still better than soviet t54

Yeah better to fire a 390 mm max pen Heatfs as your best round at 8.0
Fantastic

[Predatortoast707]

mostly because the chinese built under license (or copied) many soviet vehicles

[-reno-FR-]

I wonder what is the definition of "broken" for the majority of the people.

It seems that the most common definition may be : "I think I am a living god but the ennemy just fragged me, so something is broken ingame : my stuff is underpowered ingame or the ennemy's stuff is owerpowered."

And what is funny is the result : there are threads with "Germany suffers" & at the same time "Nerf Germany".
And too often, with other nation in the place of the word "Germany".

I do think that balancing the game is a hard work.
Even more in a game that is reproducing IRL stuff that is IRL yet unbalanced, as it is a race of the weapons between nations.

(BTW, the "balance" we can see it by the BR choice for some stuff, stuff put at X BR because of its caracteristics instead of the era of production. Of course, Tigers II fighting cold war tanks, because players cried a lot when Tigers II fought Shermans.
Guys, we can't have it all : "balance" & "Historical Era", and IRL the frontier is also hard, as there are some outdated stuff in lot of armies.)

[flat_Lander1]

Originally posted by torindechoza:

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

no im not talking about type69 im talking about type 59 and ztz59a

Type 59 does not get a laser rangefinder. So you actually werent.
And before the decompression T55A was 8.0

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

type69 and at 8.0 its still better than soviet t54

Yeah better to fire a 390 mm max pen Heatfs as your best round at 8.0
Fantastic

type59 gets stab and type59A(it was 7.7 btw) stab and laser and type69 also have stab and laser while soviet t54 get none of that while being at the same BR
chinese types also weren't 8.0 and were the same BR as t54s before decompression so your point?
better to have 390 heat-fs than 239 apcbc or not working 361 apds when you constantly get uptiered

[torindechoza]

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

chinese types also weren't 8.0 and were the same BR as t54s before decompression so your point?

They actually were 8.0 at the same time as the T55A being 8.0
Here are the last br changes:
https://forum.warthunder.com/t/planned-battle-rating-changes-for-the-month-of-october/33834
a video of 3 years ago , as you see 8.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NsXtlGCC1g

"your point?"