Spall Liners for Other Tanks

[florble mcfumperdink]

https://forum.warthunder.com/t/responding-to-issues-regarding-dev-server-reports-an-update-on-spall-lining-armor-from-the-developers/52633/11

The T-90M isn't the only tank to get a spall liner this update, apparently they plane on the later Leo 2s, the M3A3, M1128, and the STRV 122s recieving them this update as well. Other NATO MBTs like the Abrams tanks and the Challenger 2s are also set to receive them, but they are currently gathering the data to model them properly.

Update: Spall liners have been passed for the Leclercs (all variants) and (I think) all M1A2s (base, SEP1, SEP2). I believe they were also passed for the M1A1s. Also, the bug reports on missing armor due to unmodeled DU inserts for the M1A2, SEP1, and SEP2 have apparently been passed an acknowledged.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/18gg2ny/regarding_the_leclerc_situation/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/18gp1jh/abrams_will_get_its_armour_but_when/

Edit 2: Also apparently like everything wrong with/missing from Challenger 2 variants has been ackowledged, passed, and is seemingly being moved towards implementation,

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/18gn342/challenger_buff_incoming/

Yes, I am getting these from the Reddit, mostly because the arguments between users on there give me LESS of a headache than the conversations on the forum.

[Elijah]

If that is the case, good, thats fair.

[legaroojack]

Would also be nice if they corrected the issues with the effectiveness of western composite armour( Eg the SEP missing its DU inserts) and making russian ammo at top tier actually explode consistently. Just that would fix a decent amount of the issues at top tier rn.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Legaroojack:

Would also be nice if they corrected the issues with the effectiveness of western composite armour( Eg the SEP missing its DU inserts) and making russian ammo at top tier actually explode consistently. Just that would fix a decent amount of the issues at top tier rn.

Yeah, that would be pretty nice too, but one step at a time I suppose,

*shrug*

[Grant]

Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

https://forum.warthunder.com/t/responding-to-issues-regarding-dev-server-reports-an-update-on-spall-lining-armor-from-the-developers/52633/11

The T-90M isn't the only tank to get a spall liner this update, apparently they plane on the later Leo 2s, the M3A3, M1128, and the STRV 122s recieving them this update as well. Other NATO MBTs like the Abrams tanks and the Challenger 2s are also set to receive them, but they are currently gathering the data to model them properly.

Highly doubt it, for months a player showed publicly verified data showing the Challenger 2 TES ERA was rated to be capable of stopping 30mm APFSDS at 500mm. Gaijan kept the TES ERA at a mere 30mm thick. Some other players (mostly Russian main) and Gaijan states they cannot "trust" these sources despite them treating Russian weapon makers' words like gold when we actually seeing the opposite in a current certain war.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Grant:

Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

https://forum.warthunder.com/t/responding-to-issues-regarding-dev-server-reports-an-update-on-spall-lining-armor-from-the-developers/52633/11

The T-90M isn't the only tank to get a spall liner this update, apparently they plane on the later Leo 2s, the M3A3, M1128, and the STRV 122s recieving them this update as well. Other NATO MBTs like the Abrams tanks and the Challenger 2s are also set to receive them, but they are currently gathering the data to model them properly.

Highly doubt it, for months a player showed publicly verified data showing the Challenger 2 TES ERA was rated to be capable of stopping 30mm APFSDS at 500mm. Gaijan kept the TES ERA at a mere 30mm thick. Some other players (mostly Russian main) and Gaijan states they cannot "trust" these sources despite them treating Russian weapon makers' words like gold when we actually seeing the opposite in a current certain war.

If given an inch take a mile, we just keep pushing for improvements until we get actual game balance.

[legaroojack]

Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

Originally posted by Grant:

Highly doubt it, for months a player showed publicly verified data showing the Challenger 2 TES ERA was rated to be capable of stopping 30mm APFSDS at 500mm. Gaijan kept the TES ERA at a mere 30mm thick. Some other players (mostly Russian main) and Gaijan states they cannot "trust" these sources despite them treating Russian weapon makers' words like gold when we actually seeing the opposite in a current certain war.

If given an inch take a mile, we just keep pushing for improvements until we get actual game balance.

The russia mains will reeee if they are expected to win at top tier without being handheld. The forums also activity work against getting western tanks fixed. Look at coneofarc's recent post on twitter with screenshots from the forums. A certain someone called TrickZZter. Name kinda says it all. Apparently a congressional defense report wasnt enough.

[French Cat]

This ain’t a bug guys, it’s been confirmed. They totally didn’t just that option to deal with the spam, they totally have a “Report forwarded” option. Which competent company wouldn’t have one?

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Legaroojack:

Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

If given an inch take a mile, we just keep pushing for improvements until we get actual game balance.

The russia mains will reeee if they are expected to win at top tier without being handheld. The forums also activity work against getting western tanks fixed. Look at coneofarc's recent post on twitter with screenshots from the forums. A certain someone called TrickZZter. Name kinda says it all. Apparently a congressional defense report wasnt enough.

Well i wouldn't say the forum as a whole is against it, just TrickZZter and a few imbeciles who don't understand modern metallurgical technology and adhesion physics (i.e., the dumbass in the thread I linked who thinks that Western MBTs have no spall liners just because they aren't a poor third world country like Russia, which is so metallurgically behind that it just has to tack up its kevlar sheets inside the tank, as opposed to every Western MBT which bonds the kevlar along with a thick layer of vulcanized rubber to the internal face of the armor within the turret). There's still a chance, especially if we continue to point out TrickZZter's hypocrisy by noting all the made-up stats for armor improvements in Russian/Soviet armor arrays and ERA due to the fact that the data for them is still classified.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by French Cat:

This ain’t a bug guys, it’s been confirmed. They totally didn’t just that option to deal with the spam, they totally have a “Report forwarded” option. Which competent company wouldn’t have one?

The memes deepen

[legaroojack]

Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

Originally posted by Legaroojack:

The russia mains will reeee if they are expected to win at top tier without being handheld. The forums also activity work against getting western tanks fixed. Look at coneofarc's recent post on twitter with screenshots from the forums. A certain someone called TrickZZter. Name kinda says it all. Apparently a congressional defense report wasnt enough.

Well i wouldn't say the forum as a whole is against it, just TrickZZter and a few imbeciles who don't understand modern metallurgical technology and adhesion physics (i.e., the dumbass in the thread I linked who thinks that Western MBTs have no spall liners just because they aren't a poor third world country like Russia, which is so metallurgically behind that it just has to tack up its kevlar sheets inside the tank, as opposed to every Western MBT which bonds the kevlar along with a thick layer of vulcanized rubber to the internal face of the armor within the turret). There's still a chance, especially if we continue to point out TrickZZter's hypocrisy by noting all the made-up stats for armor improvements in Russian/Soviet armor arrays and ERA due to the fact that the data for them is still classified.

Yeah i saw that dude, even after people sent him diagrams and photos of the spall liners he just couldnt comprehend something not done like a redneck. People like TrickZZter shouldnt be allowed to review bugs, its clear they let their personal beliefs influence their work.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Legaroojack:

Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

Well i wouldn't say the forum as a whole is against it, just TrickZZter and a few imbeciles who don't understand modern metallurgical technology and adhesion physics (i.e., the dumbass in the thread I linked who thinks that Western MBTs have no spall liners just because they aren't a poor third world country like Russia, which is so metallurgically behind that it just has to tack up its kevlar sheets inside the tank, as opposed to every Western MBT which bonds the kevlar along with a thick layer of vulcanized rubber to the internal face of the armor within the turret). There's still a chance, especially if we continue to point out TrickZZter's hypocrisy by noting all the made-up stats for armor improvements in Russian/Soviet armor arrays and ERA due to the fact that the data for them is still classified.

Yeah i saw that dude, even after people sent him diagrams and photos of the spall liners he just couldnt comprehend something not done like a redneck. People like TrickZZter shouldnt be allowed to review bugs, its clear they let their personal beliefs influence their work.

Honestly, it's more than that. TrickZZter and the associated idiot brigade don't just let their beliefs influence their work, they have allowed their beliefs to define them. It's why they so flippantly dismiss counterarguments and become so offended when their claims are challenged, because they treat it as both a personal insult and a threat to their person since they have merged their beliefs with their personalities. It's a hallmark of toxic narcissism, and also indicates sociopathic levels of apathy.

Edit: there's significant linkage between people who have become idealogues and having more violent tendencies since they usually comprise the primary body of extremist groups (think NSDAP, Stalinist Communists, and Religious Fundamentalist Terrorists such as Al-Qaeda or the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria [ISIS]) that tear down old social structures to rebuild societies in their image, often killing anyone who disagrees with them or does not fit their image of perfection. Basically, in short, people like this are crazy and need help before they go down the road that is less traveled for a reason and dig themselves in so deep that the only pill that will do any good ends up being made of copper-jacketed lead (and no I'm not advocating for violence, I'm saying that I would rather that people like this are corrected and given help before it goes horribly wrong).

[Chief Beef]

Thank god, would’ve been so unfair if that was the only tank to have a spall liner.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Chief Beef:

Thank god, would’ve been so unfair if that was the only tank to have a spall liner.

Yeah, it seems their current plan is to implement a spall liner for ever tank that had it, starting with the MBTs. Nothing concrete was necessarily said, but Stona implied that every Rank VIII and VII MBT should have them, as would most IFVs. It just seems their problem is modeling the spall liners for the other tanks in time. Stona also confirmed that whatever tanks don't get their spall liners with the update will recieve them in the weekly updates thereafter, because that gives them a significant block from whenever this update releases to mid-March of next year to add them gradually (implementing it for every tank that had it basically means every MBT/IFV above 8.0 will get them, and probably 30% to 50% of the tanks and IFVs between 5.7 and 8.0 will get them, including some superheavies like the Tortoise. Naturally, this entails a lot of time).

Edit: I also think there was something said about stock APFSDS for Rank VIII and VII tanks since the prevalence of composite and ERA makes HEAT practically useless.

[shipdesignerdude]

Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

Originally posted by Chief Beef:

Thank god, would’ve been so unfair if that was the only tank to have a spall liner.

Yeah, it seems their current plan is to implement a spall liner for ever tank that had it, starting with the MBTs. Nothing concrete was necessarily said, but Stona implied that every Rank VIII and VII MBT should have them, as would most IFVs. It just seems their problem is modeling the spall liners for the other tanks in time. Stona also confirmed that whatever tanks don't get their spall liners with the update will recieve them in the weekly updates thereafter, because that gives them a significant block from whenever this update releases to mid-March of next year to add them gradually (implementing it for every tank that had it basically means every MBT/IFV above 8.0 will get them, and probably 30% to 50% of the tanks and IFVs between 5.7 and 8.0 will get them, including some superheavies like the Tortoise. Naturally, this entails a lot of time).

Edit: I also think there was something said about stock APFSDS for Rank VIII and VII tanks since the prevalence of composite and ERA makes HEAT practically useless.

Well of course they wait for other countries to start getting tack-on ERA to add stock APFSDS. Russia's had it forever, and the US just started to get it.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by shipdesignerdude:

Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

Yeah, it seems their current plan is to implement a spall liner for ever tank that had it, starting with the MBTs. Nothing concrete was necessarily said, but Stona implied that every Rank VIII and VII MBT should have them, as would most IFVs. It just seems their problem is modeling the spall liners for the other tanks in time. Stona also confirmed that whatever tanks don't get their spall liners with the update will recieve them in the weekly updates thereafter, because that gives them a significant block from whenever this update releases to mid-March of next year to add them gradually (implementing it for every tank that had it basically means every MBT/IFV above 8.0 will get them, and probably 30% to 50% of the tanks and IFVs between 5.7 and 8.0 will get them, including some superheavies like the Tortoise. Naturally, this entails a lot of time).

Edit: I also think there was something said about stock APFSDS for Rank VIII and VII tanks since the prevalence of composite and ERA makes HEAT practically useless.

Well of course they wait for other countries to start getting tack-on ERA to add stock APFSDS. Russia's had it forever, and the US just started to get it.

Yup, classic Gaijin move lol.

I'll still take the W though.