Do premium accounts get biased matchmaking?

[Vim]

I started playing about a week ago and it's been a really fun week. I got a bloody nose more than most, but I expect that when I'm new. Though last night, coming off of a 4-match win-streak, my 7-day free premium ran out, and immediately I started feeling like I was getting trounced in every single game.

I have now played 17 games since my premium ran out, and so far I have 16 defeats. I fully acknowledge that I suck. I am terrible at the game, but at tier I and II I'd expect -some- of the other players to be terrible too. And even if I did nothing every battle, statistically, my team should still win -some- of the time. And if I do suck, why did this not affect me when I still had premium? I had a roughly equal win/loss rating (even though I did awful).

I am now genuinely curious if I get placed in the "smurfbashing" matchmaking now that my premium is out? Am I getting matched up against people with much higher player levels and golden eagles? I'm not one to believe in conspiracy theories, but after 17 battles where my team can't do anything but get beaten on? I am starting to wonder... I wouldn't put it past Gaijin to manipulate the matchmaking to make sure their whales get to have fun bashing on free-to-play players...

Posting the screenshots of my battle list. My Premium account ran out last night around 20:00.

https://imgur.com/ZpUJCoB

https://imgur.com/hnyr1Ge

[I AM THE LAW!]

as someone with a premium account, I can tell you that no, they don't.
I still have rigged matchs. You can tell their rigged by going through the players and seeing their levels. only 2 lv100s on 1 team 6-8 on the other. newbies in premium tanks leaving after 1 death, forcing the lv100s to deal with a 1v5.

[mogami_99]

So after just 1 week you believe the Gaijin conspiracy theories after saying you don't believe conspiracy theories. What mode (air/ground/naval) (arcade/realistic) are you playing?
Ignore people who think level equals skill. Levels are gained by research. If I research USA air to level 100 and then play German ground my level means nothing.

[Venom]

When I started, I thought the same thing, but I've had my premium account for over a year and nothing has changed. So no, the premium account does not change anything. Statistics are statistics, but that does not mean that the series cannot be unrealistically long. And I had a similar feeling, but it helped me when I completely changed my tactics. I found out that I was missing a few games because of a certain tactic, so I started playing constantly, but it didn't work anymore. I had a whole series of losses until I stopped for a moment and realized that it was my fault, and when I changed my tactics, the bad streak ended. Also, different nations have different tanks at higher BRs that are stronger or weaker. And of course you have to get used to each new tank and learn to play with it, it takes a while until you get positive results. Some tanks don't even fit you at all, like e.g. I was chasing tanks, etc., and I only had to suffer when I jumped over them on other things.

[Elijah]

By my experience it depens on how much you spend in the last while. I had some spending sprees and then got several games in which i completly roflstomped the game, do to the enemy being easy and my team being good. I think gaijin does some favorable matchmaking after purchases to make them feel good, artifically. I mean, they already us every trick in the book of human manipulation. That one they could easily hide. Nobody can see the server side of things, besides them.

[Vim]

Originally posted by mogami_99:

So after just 1 week you believe the Gaijin conspiracy theories after saying you don't believe conspiracy theories. What mode (air/ground/naval) (arcade/realistic) are you playing?
Ignore people who think level equals skill. Levels are gained by research. If I research USA air to level 100 and then play German ground my level means nothing.

You're right, I don't normally believe in conspiracy theories, but i do believe in checking for myself and recording the results. Since I made this post I've had 2 more games. Game 1 my team had 1 person at level 50+, the enemy team had 13 players at level 50+. Game 2 our team had 4 players at level 50+, the enemy team had 9. Will continue to check, because if there truly is no bias in matchmaking, these datapoints shouldn't stay this way.

[Velesianus]

Originally posted by Vim:

Originally posted by mogami_99:

So after just 1 week you believe the Gaijin conspiracy theories after saying you don't believe conspiracy theories. What mode (air/ground/naval) (arcade/realistic) are you playing?
Ignore people who think level equals skill. Levels are gained by research. If I research USA air to level 100 and then play German ground my level means nothing.

You're right, I don't normally believe in conspiracy theories, but i do believe in checking for myself and recording the results. Since I made this post I've had 2 more games. Game 1 my team had 1 person at level 50+, the enemy team had 13 players at level 50+. Game 2 our team had 4 players at level 50+, the enemy team had 9. Will continue to check, because if there truly is no bias in matchmaking, these datapoints shouldn't stay this way.

No, you can get just as many losing streaks playing premium.

The game is rather aggressively datamined by it's playerbase and evidence of something like that would be on the front page of reddit.

You can also get losing streaks even when you git gud.

The main issue is you're never actually in a 16v16 match regardless of the number of players.

Instead you have, at best, 3 or 4 people on each team who carry everyone else and they're the ones determining the outcome.

Some of those players have thousands or even tens of thousands of matches so to get to their level can take a while for most people.

I do a lot of card peaking in battles and when I see a newer player I don't even bother looking at their win rate. Instead I look at things like respawns vs match count and kd/r.

[mogami_99]

Originally posted by Vim:

Originally posted by mogami_99:

So after just 1 week you believe the Gaijin conspiracy theories after saying you don't believe conspiracy theories. What mode (air/ground/naval) (arcade/realistic) are you playing?
Ignore people who think level equals skill. Levels are gained by research. If I research USA air to level 100 and then play German ground my level means nothing.

You're right, I don't normally believe in conspiracy theories, but i do believe in checking for myself and recording the results. Since I made this post I've had 2 more games. Game 1 my team had 1 person at level 50+, the enemy team had 13 players at level 50+. Game 2 our team had 4 players at level 50+, the enemy team had 9. Will continue to check, because if there truly is no bias in matchmaking, these datapoints shouldn't stay this way.

Level does not translate to skill. Levels are gained by research points. Levels don't even mean playing time per say.
2 players begin War Thunder same day same hour. 1 plays air arcade 4 battles per hour the other plays ground arcade 2 battles per hour. The air player plays 4 hours per day 4 days per week the ground 2 hours per day 3 days per week.
The ground player bought premium account and a tier I premium ground vehicle and uses boosters every battle. (the 99GE boosters good for 10 battles) The air player is strictly free to play,
After 4 weeks which one has the highest level? The air with 64 hours or the ground with 24?
Ignore levels but look at players card it will tell you where they are most proficient. It lists results by vehicle and total battles in any mode.

[Pinkkifantti]

I wish, but in some weeks, i get same ♥♥♥♥ as you do and my premium ain't running out in a year.

[nirvana_sth]

Originally posted by Vim:

I started playing about a week ago and it's been a really fun week. I got a bloody nose more than most, but I expect that when I'm new. Though last night, coming off of a 4-match win-streak, my 7-day free premium ran out, and immediately I started feeling like I was getting trounced in every single game.

I have now played 17 games since my premium ran out, and so far I have 16 defeats. I fully acknowledge that I suck. I am terrible at the game, but at tier I and II I'd expect -some- of the other players to be terrible too. And even if I did nothing every battle, statistically, my team should still win -some- of the time. And if I do suck, why did this not affect me when I still had premium? I had a roughly equal win/loss rating (even though I did awful).

I am now genuinely curious if I get placed in the "smurfbashing" matchmaking now that my premium is out? Am I getting matched up against people with much higher player levels and golden eagles? I'm not one to believe in conspiracy theories, but after 17 battles where my team can't do anything but get beaten on? I am starting to wonder... I wouldn't put it past Gaijin to manipulate the matchmaking to make sure their whales get to have fun bashing on free-to-play players...

Posting the screenshots of my battle list. My Premium account ran out last night around 20:00.

https://imgur.com/ZpUJCoB

https://imgur.com/hnyr1Ge

pfff im having premium account for at least 2 years non stop and cannot see my life any easier...

[CaptainSpacetime]

I have premium and I've never lost a match.

The trick is don't buy premium on sale, that's fake premium. Full price premium gets you the matchmaking benefits.

[nirvana_sth]

Originally posted by CaptainSpacetime:

I have premium and I've never lost a match.

The trick is don't buy premium on sale, that's fake premium. Full price premium gets you the matchmaking benefits.

yeh that makes sense cuz i got mine on sales.

[Khyrai]

Originally posted by mogami_99:

If I research USA air to level 100 and then play German ground my level means nothing.

true i'm lvl 100 and suck ass in ground battles

[magazine2]

Hi. Premium accounts do not get biased matchmaking.

[Drakey Fenix]

War Thunder like most pvp multiplayer games wants you to retain a 50% win rate. So if you're having a lot of good matches where you're winning, you're then later going to get teamed up with a lot of bad players to get losses too, to balance out your win rate.

Anyone can make a spreadsheet and document every single win and loss. When you have a decent sample size ~500, you make a chart and see for yourself how the wins are balanced out by the losses.

The matches are definitely rigged by adjusting what players you are teamed up with and face. Again anyone can do the math and see this if you're determined enough. Gaijin doesn't make a lot of things public knowledge unfortunately, so you have to test things yourself.

[ErickaUnlimited]

Originally posted by Drakey Fenix:

War Thunder like most pvp multiplayer games wants you to retain a 50% win rate. So if you're having a lot of good matches where you're winning, you're then later going to get teamed up with a lot of bad players to get losses too, to balance out your win rate.

Anyone can make a spreadsheet and document every single win and loss. When you have a decent sample size ~500, you make a chart and see for yourself how the wins are balanced out by the losses.

The matches are definitely rigged by adjusting what players you are teamed up with and face. Again anyone can do the math and see this if you're determined enough. Gaijin doesn't make a lot of things public knowledge unfortunately, so you have to test things yourself.

People make up the weirdest things.