Challenger 2 Horrificly bad cardboard MBT

[Rastrom]

When the ♥♥♥♥ will they buff these horrificly bad Challenger 2s with nothing good on them at all no pros nothing thats worth playing them for. Challenger 2 has bad mobility,bad firepower,No armor at all always a oneshot does not matter where, People mention hull down its worse at hull down than Abrams and Leopard 2a7,T80,T72,ZTZ99. It has bad turret traverse, And mobility over all just turning this tank is slow how has it been like this for so long? Im not a britain main btw but its sad seeing them so bad you just point at them and click and they dissapear off the map.

[Eftwyrd]

you point out all the ways its bad but nowhere do you actually say its wrong...

For all the hype about chobham/dorchester armour making it the toughest tank with none lost in british service (have to qualify that now given ukraine went ahead and ruined that boast by losing some) its not exactly public record so good luck trying to prove anything about it without joining the ranks of the morons who have leaked classified documents on warthunders forums

[Pec]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

you point out all the ways its bad but nowhere do you actually say its wrong...

For all the hype about chobham/dorchester armour making it the toughest tank with none lost in british service (have to qualify that now given ukraine went ahead and ruined that boast by losing some) its not exactly public record so good luck trying to prove anything about it without joining the ranks of the morons who have leaked classified documents on warthunders forums

They could still use public images eg there are a few pictures of the turret breach triangle having a roughly 250mm thick plate at the front with a bunch of airgaps behind also like the leclearc there is lots of footage of the turret reaching 40deg s double what it is in game

[OttoSubo]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

you point out all the ways its bad but nowhere do you actually say its wrong...

For all the hype about chobham/dorchester armour making it the toughest tank with none lost in british service (have to qualify that now given ukraine went ahead and ruined that boast by losing some) its not exactly public record so good luck trying to prove anything about it without joining the ranks of the morons who have leaked classified documents on warthunders forums

Meh its not bad just built around a unique military doctrine that gaijin isn't about. like you dais also with all the declassifications its hard to prove anything but i wish the armour in this game was atleast better after all it dosent have such poor mobility for no reason

[Trio]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

you point out all the ways its bad but nowhere do you actually say its wrong...

For all the hype about chobham/dorchester armour making it the toughest tank with none lost in british service (have to qualify that now given ukraine went ahead and ruined that boast by losing some) its not exactly public record so good luck trying to prove anything about it without joining the ranks of the morons who have leaked classified documents on warthunders forums

Ukraine lost a single challenger 2 tank, which was was tracked by a mine, hit by 2 kornets, multiple FPV's and finally an arty barrage, That is enough to destroy a destroyer.

The challenger 2 tank in game, is wrong in every aspect, there is 0 accurate things about the CR2 ingame, except for the names.

Also, dont forget that gaijin took all of the public information about the cr2, didnt bother to read it, said "ok fine" and then added some made up numbers which are 1/4 of the numbers in the supplied documents.

This is all because the gaijin mods, are Russian and incredibly ANTI-NATO, hence the whole drama now.

Gaijin is a disgrace of its former self

[Cha Cha Real Rough]

my only problem with it is the bigass weakspot around the turret breach, being only 200mm thick while the rest of the turret is around 700mm thick or so. While that in itself isn't too big of a problem, the location and size of it is.

People at 11.3 aren't gonna shoot the turret face, they're gonna shoot at the breach, which just happens to have a giant weakspot.

everything else about the tank IMO can be rectified with good gameplay.

[The Roach]

Originally posted by Rastrom:

When the ♥♥♥♥ will they buff these horrificly bad Challenger 2s with nothing good on them at all no pros nothing thats worth playing them for. Challenger 2 has bad mobility,bad firepower,No armor at all always a oneshot does not matter where, People mention hull down its worse at hull down than Abrams and Leopard 2a7,T80,T72,ZTZ99. It has bad turret traverse, And mobility over all just turning this tank is slow how has it been like this for so long? Im not a britain main btw but its sad seeing them so bad you just point at them and click and they dissapear off the map.

Thank the devs for ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on Britain, lmfao

[Trio]

Also, CR2 turret rotation speed and reload speed are inaccurate by a good margain, ask anyone who has ever seen or been in a cr2 whille firing, they can reload in about 4 seconds, and the turret rotation speed in game is about 5 seconds longer than it should be


Also, a reminder, that gaijin nerfs NATO equipment whenever it performs well in Ukraine, this has been proven with the Stormer HMV getting a massive nerf after videos of it shooting down russian helicopters, and now the bradley is getting a massive nerf, the Abrams is getting a massive nerf, leopards are getting a massive nerf.