Challenger 3.

[hsf_]

https://warthunder.com/en/news/8621-development-challenger-3-prototype-smoothbore-galore-en

Not sure why you feel the need to add this to the game, it's not in service yet. Also you could just buff the Challenger 2's like you should, because they are weak af in game but one of the most survivable tanks in the world irl.

[Trio]

It's not a challenger 3, its the challenger 2 LEP prototype from like 2016

[APhone]

Originally posted by hsf_:

one of the most survivable tanks in the world irl.

Based on promotion material?

Like you dont need to be an armored vehicles expert to see that HUGE LFP.

[Kogoro]

Originally posted by APhone:

Originally posted by hsf_:

one of the most survivable tanks in the world irl.

Based on promotion material?

Like you dont need to be an armored vehicles expert to see that HUGE LFP.

Real life combat is quite different from in WT combat, I doubt anything in WT comes even close to a real tank on tank experience, so of course weak spots are really easy to hit in WT.

[xCrossFaith]

I mean, Strv 103's or Maus never saw combat either and were just designed and built but here we are

You people really need to stop pretending you don't understand this game is not and it won't be 100% faithful to reality, because in all honesty, reality in a videogame means ♥♥♥♥ all

[Pec]

Originally posted by Trio:

It's not a challenger 3, its the challenger 2 LEP prototype from like 2016

To make things clearer though its already been mentioned this is no chally 3 from my understanding this is a old variant of the prototype that formed the base for chally 3 so its missing a lot including the armour improvements. Maybe they can add the changes as modifications over time but its otherwise shouldn't have that name its quite misleading

[Cha Cha Real Rough]

Originally posted by GB:

Originally posted by Trio:

It's not a challenger 3, its the challenger 2 LEP prototype from like 2016

To make things clearer though its already been mentioned this is no chally 3 from my understanding this is a old variant of the prototype that formed the base for chally 3 so its missing a lot including the armour improvements. Maybe they can add the changes as modifications over time but its otherwise shouldn't have that name its quite misleading

I mean to be fair it does include the "(P)" indicating it's a prototype, an early one at that. If i remember correctly one of the main reasons that challenger 3 was being tested was for britain adopting NATO ammunition types so i guess it could be considered a challenger 3 with the L55 gun

[Dragno]

They couldn't be bothered fixing challenger 2 armour and can make money from the 3rd. That's it. A fixed chall 2 just tier 8 where they can make money.

[Pec]

Originally posted by Cha Cha Real Rough:

I mean to be fair it does include the "(P)" indicating it's a prototype, an early one at that. If i remember correctly one of the main reasons that challenger 3 was being tested was for britain adopting NATO ammunition types so i guess it could be considered a challenger 3 with the L55 gun

Fair enough im just concerned it will end up a higher br then the leo 2a5/6 considering its likely to lose its 5s reload which would make it a side grade to the leo (-hull armour -turret armour +lwr +3rd gen thermals) so the fact its been stated its a rank 8 has me worried since the vehicle is just a slightly better 2e

[Cha Cha Real Rough]

Originally posted by GB:

Originally posted by Cha Cha Real Rough:

I mean to be fair it does include the "(P)" indicating it's a prototype, an early one at that. If i remember correctly one of the main reasons that challenger 3 was being tested was for britain adopting NATO ammunition types so i guess it could be considered a challenger 3 with the L55 gun

Fair enough im just concerned it will end up a higher br then the leo 2a5/6 considering its likely to lose its 5s reload which would make it a side grade to the leo (-hull armour -turret armour +lwr +3rd gen thermals) so the fact its been stated its a rank 8 has me worried since the vehicle is just a slightly better 2e

oh it most definitely will be higher BR lmao, its gaijin

I mean I like british tanks, but we've all seen them get nerfed heavily (i mean really? sabot nerf then BR increases for centurians?) I mean people hate them almost as much as they hate french tanks, which is a shame since they get a lot of cool stuff.

[Pec]

Originally posted by Cha Cha Real Rough:

Originally posted by GB:

Fair enough im just concerned it will end up a higher br then the leo 2a5/6 considering its likely to lose its 5s reload which would make it a side grade to the leo (-hull armour -turret armour +lwr +3rd gen thermals) so the fact its been stated its a rank 8 has me worried since the vehicle is just a slightly better 2e

oh it most definitely will be higher BR lmao, its gaijin

I mean I like british tanks, but we've all seen them get nerfed heavily (i mean really? sabot nerf then BR increases for centurians?) I mean people hate them almost as much as they hate french tanks, which is a shame since they get a lot of cool stuff.

I do find it a bit funny how different nations are handled france italy israel are the forgotten children uk is the one that gets the table scraps.

A better addition would be the sky sabre since its the closest thing to the pantsir that can work without the other trucks.

[Cha Cha Real Rough]

Originally posted by GB:

Originally posted by Cha Cha Real Rough:

oh it most definitely will be higher BR lmao, its gaijin

I mean I like british tanks, but we've all seen them get nerfed heavily (i mean really? sabot nerf then BR increases for centurians?) I mean people hate them almost as much as they hate french tanks, which is a shame since they get a lot of cool stuff.

I do find it a bit funny how different nations are handled france italy israel are the forgotten children uk is the one that gets the table scraps.

A better addition would be the sky sabre since its the closest thing to the pantsir that can work without the other trucks.

at least italy got some serious love recently, which is good because they have alot of fun stuff, but yeah france and israel are always being left out in the cold.

I am pretty concerned with rank 8 stuff because how will SPAA compare or come into play here? Around this area SPAA models start becoming more like towed trailers and less like self-enclosed vehicles. And Ill be damned if they want me to grind all the way to rank 8 planes just to get anti-cas stuff, that area is a clusterf*** from everything i hear about it (I also hate Air RB, so rip me i guess)

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by APhone:

Originally posted by hsf_:

one of the most survivable tanks in the world irl.

Based on promotion material?

Like you dont need to be an armored vehicles expert to see that HUGE LFP.

It was determined center mass of most tanks is the turret/turret ring, because tall grass often covered the lower part of the vehicle. LFP wouldn’t even have been visible in many cases.
(That also doesn’t explain its survivability on the UFP and turret in game anyways.)

[Omega Sirius]

E-100 was never in service with the Germans either, but hey it's in the game.

[dropbear]

doesnt matter if it's not in service yet or ever will be, doesnt even matter if its a prototype/blueprint, war thunder is a better game with these vehicles

[Pec]

Originally posted by Cha Cha Real Rough:

at least italy got some serious love recently, which is good because they have alot of fun stuff, but yeah france and israel are always being left out in the cold.

I am pretty concerned with rank 8 stuff because how will SPAA compare or come into play here? Around this area SPAA models start becoming more like towed trailers and less like self-enclosed vehicles. And Ill be damned if they want me to grind all the way to rank 8 planes just to get anti-cas stuff, that area is a clusterf*** from everything i hear about it (I also hate Air RB, so rip me i guess)

As unrealistic as it is i think the only way forward is them giving a free pass to all the multi unit spaa out there just giving them a invisible radar isnt going to ruin the game especially after the pantsir. Another alternative could be to make the other parts spawn able like how dead tanks are left about (Maybe have it go poof if they move to far away to stop road blocking)