Is a tank only gamemode in the make yet?

[Damianus]

Came back after a while, remembered why I quit. tank RB aspecially at higer BR is just kill someone - they get salty - revenge bombing - both respawn as tank - repeat. The whole "MuH cOmBiNeD aRmS" is understandable enough for the folk that I mentioned, just a separate gamemode, plane players would get pissy if guided AA was all over the floor in aerial modes as well.

[-reno-FR-]

Originally posted by NitekPL:

Originally posted by Akagi:

Gaijin staff on this forum has emphasized on multiple occasions last year that they don't plan on adding a ground only mode in similiar threads

It's a matter of time when they will change their mind. Some day the community will get pissed off enough of cas.

When I risk to be pissed off about CAS, I plug my brain & switch to SPAA unit.

Also when I switch to SPAA unit, I do not go like a Tank Destroyer to be ridiculously fragged & then being useless to my entire team as soon as planes are coming.

It's a matter of intelligence.

[Pottu]

people who are against them adding tank only mode are afraid it would be popular and they couldnt sealclub helpless tanks anymore in their ka50... we arent asking them to remove aircraft, we are just asking them to ADD a tanks only mode

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Pottu:

people why are against them adding tank only mode are afraid it would be popular and they couldnt sealclub helpless tanks anymore in their ka50... we arent asking them to remove aircraft, we are just asking them to ADD a tanks only mode

go read the many, many threads on the subject, you have days of reading ahead of you

its always the same posters too... like they think repeating the same old trash until people get tired of responding consitutes a 'win' and gaijin are actually going to fail to realise the general populaces apathy towards an already answered topic constitutes a reverse in the overwhelming opinion against

if you want to know how the community as a whole feels try looking up the background of the organised review bomb on reddit, they had a list of demands submitted to gaijin which got turned into the roadmap. 'tanks only' was discussed for their list and rejected when they lost a significant amount of support

[Pottu]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Originally posted by Pottu:

people why are against them adding tank only mode are afraid it would be popular and they couldnt sealclub helpless tanks anymore in their ka50... we arent asking them to remove aircraft, we are just asking them to ADD a tanks only mode

go read the many, many threads on the subject, you have days of reading ahead of you

its always the same posters too... like they think repeating the same old trash until people get tired of responding consitutes a 'win' and gaijin are actually going to care

if you want to know how the community as a whole feels try looking up the background of the organised review bomb on reddit, they had a list of demands submitted to gaijin which got turned into their roadmap. 'tanks only' was discussed for their list and rejected when they lost a significant amount of support

so what harm would it to do add the mode for those who want to play it then...

[Kay]

Originally posted by Pottu:

so what harm would it to do add the mode for those who want to play it then...

It would:

Split the playerbase, increasing wait times for everyone.

Require rebalancing of vehicles or a sim-like lineup system, taking up dev time that could be spent elsewhere.

In all likelihood, be unpopular (as it has been every time it has been tested), making both of the above negatives worse, and making it a waste of time to add.

[Pottu]

Originally posted by Kay:

Originally posted by Pottu:

so what harm would it to do add the mode for those who want to play it then...

It would:

Split the playerbase, increasing wait times for everyone.

Require rebalancing of vehicles or a sim-like lineup system, taking up dev time that could be spent elsewhere.

In all likelihood, be unpopular (as it has been every time it has been tested), making both of the above negatives worse, and making it a waste of time to add.

if balance was a problem why dont aircraft have different brs in ground and air mode and god forbid they take away little dev time from those all important new "totally not toptier" premiums

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Pottu:

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

go read the many, many threads on the subject, you have days of reading ahead of you

its always the same posters too... like they think repeating the same old trash until people get tired of responding consitutes a 'win' and gaijin are actually going to care

if you want to know how the community as a whole feels try looking up the background of the organised review bomb on reddit, they had a list of demands submitted to gaijin which got turned into their roadmap. 'tanks only' was discussed for their list and rejected when they lost a significant amount of support

so what harm would it to do add the mode for those who want to play it then...

literally answered in those threads but to reiterate the points in short (like i said if you want pages and pages expanding on this it already exists if you want to use the search function)

one its designed for combined arms, any developer time spent maintaining a mode is time taken away from improving the modes for their actual intended audience

two they have a competitor that does what you are asking in the form of world of tanks, that you dont consider it a real competitor just means they have already won and have no need to care, gaijin have said live on stream to someone that demanded tank only mode to take a hike if they didnt like it, whatever your opinion the fact that you are still here tacitly supports combined arms

three queue times, there have already been modes removed in warthunders history because they couldnt maintain queues around the clock. people that say 'but they are good for me' are missing the point, they have to be good for everyone at all times or gaijin start bleeding players, so look at the worst case, not the best. This has only got worse as more and more BRs have been added, remember they wont even risk BR decompression

four risk aversion amongst newer players, players that dont know what they are doing and dont have a strong opinion on the combined arms versus ground only will gravitate towards lower risk, SPAA takes a level of skill not seen amongst the large majority of ground palyers and free to play games have high player turnover so even if alright at launch over time this risks fewer players migrating to the combined mode as they are comfortable where they are

five the highest earners for gaijin are CAS aircraft, a10, su25, ka50 etc, the risk of undermining their sales of those vehicles if queue times for actually using them are affected, any claim 'i would totally buy premium tanks if only' are empty when gaijin knows they have a cash cow already and risk killing it on a chance that enough of you will actually follow through and more importantly keep following through for years to come

having set out to make a combined arms game they may want to make more combined arms in future, its always been my opinion something like enduring confrontation including tanks too would be the ultimate form of this eventually replacing current modes (a bit of a hope on my part i will admit), the point being once they include a tank only mode they cant take it away and it will need equal attention to whatever future changes may happen for other modes. every future change will have to account for it

and finally because ultimately while we have some crossover in being fans of armoured vehicles, combined arms and tanks only players are separate demographics, gaijin set out to make a game for one of those demographics, they already have enough PR problems keeping one of us happy, trying to cater to two hostile fanbases at once where every change is going to be dissected and risk being torn apart over it, it doesnt actually take the whole community to damage them, just look at what a few thousand people did with the review bomb, once they have invited you in and over time the populations are more evenly split either side out of sheer spite could hold gaijin to ransom regardless of how well they are doing in the others eyes

[Pottu]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Originally posted by Pottu:

so what harm would it to do add the mode for those who want to play it then...

literally answered in those threads but to reiterate the points in short (like i said if you want pages and pages expanding on this it already exists if you want to use the search function)

one its designed for combined arms, any developer time spent maintaining a mode is time taken away from improving the modes for their actual intended audience

two they have a competitor that does what you are asking in the form of world of tanks, that you dont consider it a real competitor just means they have already won and have no need to care, gaijin have said live on stream to someone that demanded tank only mode to take a hike if they didnt like it, whatever your opinion the fact that you are still here tacitly supports combined arms

three queue times, there have already been modes removed in warthunders history because they couldnt maintain queues around the clock. people that say 'but they are good for me' are missing the point, they have to be good for everyone at all times or gaijin start bleeding players, so look at the worst case, not the best. This has only got worse as more and more BRs have been added, remember they wont even risk BR decompression

four risk aversion amongst newer players, players that dont know what they are doing and dont have a strong opinion on the combined arms versus ground only will gravitate towards lower risk, SPAA takes a level of skill not seen amongst the large majority of ground palyers and free to play games have high player turnover so even if alright at launch over time this risks fewer players migrating to the combined mode as they are comfortable where they are

five the highest earners for gaijin are CAS aircraft, a10, su25, ka50 etc, the risk of undermining their sales of those vehicles if queue times for actually using them are affected, any claim 'i would totally buy premium tanks if only' are empty when gaijin knows they have a cash cow already and risk killing it on a chance

having set out to make a combined arms game they may want to make more combined arms in future, its always been my opinion something like enduring confrontation including tanks too would be the ultimate form of this eventually replacing current modes (a bit of a hope on my part i will admit), the point being once they include a tank only mode they cant take it away and it will need equal attention to whatever future changes may happen for other modes. every future change will have to account for it

and finally because ultimately while we have some crossover in being fans of armoured vehicles, combined arms and tanks only players are separate demographics, gaijin set out to make a game for one of those demographics, they already have enough PR problems keeping one of us happy, trying to cater to two hostile fanbases at once where every change is going to be dissected and risk being torn apart over it, it doesnt actually take the whole community to damage them, just look at what a few thousand people did with the review bomb, once they have invited you in and over time the populations are more evenly split either side out of sheer spite could hold gaijin to ransom regardless of how well they are doing in the others eyes

do tltr is if you dissagree with the devs then "take a hike" and god forbid theyd need to actually work for their money and not spam copypaste cas premiums

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Pottu:

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

do tltr is if you dissagree with the devs then "take a hike" and god forbid theyd need to actually work for their money and not spam copypaste cas premiums

if you want to take it that way sure why not

because clearly gaijin are making a game for combined arms, that you think they should completely change direction on what they set out to do and make something for you regardless of all that^^ at the expense of the intended customers is a mind boggling level of self entitlement

what are you going to demand next, because we all know it wont stop there

[Pottu]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Originally posted by Pottu:

do tltr is if you dissagree with the devs then "take a hike" and god forbid theyd need to actually work for their money and not spam copypaste cas premiums

if you want to take it that way sure why not

because clearly gaijin are making a game for combined arms, that you think they should completely change direction on what they set out to do and make something for you regardless of all that^^ at the expense of the intended customers is a mind boggling level of self entitlement

what are you going to demand next, because we all know it wont stop there

jesus... do i need to spell it out for you? WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR THEM TO REMOVE AIRCRAFT OR AS YOU SAY " CHANGE DIRECTION ". WE ARE ONLY ASKING FOR THEM TO ADD A MODE ON THE SIDE... if those "problems" are really problems why do they keep the sim mode or the pve mode around then?

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Pottu:

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

if you want to take it that way sure why not

because clearly gaijin are making a game for combined arms, that you think they should completely change direction on what they set out to do and make something for you regardless of all that^^ at the expense of the intended customers is a mind boggling level of self entitlement

what are you going to demand next, because we all know it wont stop there

jesus... do i need to spell it out for you? WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR THEM TO REMOVE AIRCRAFT OR AS YOU SAY " CHANGE DIRECTION ". WE ARE ONLY ASKING FOR THEM TO ADD A MODE ON THE SIDE... if those "problems" are really problems why do they keep the sim mode or the pve mode around then?

already answered 4 posts up that you choose to cover your eyes and pretend none of it matters while still demanding is self entitement. what else would you call caring for noone but your own opinion at the expense of others

'give me what i want, none of your reasons matter to me so why not do what i want, all we are asking is you ignore all reasons not to and do what i want' is essentially the beginnig middle and end of your argument here

you have a bad case of protagonist centred morality, did it ever occur to you that there is an entire demographic here that doesnt want what you do, that gaijin are doing a good job catering for them, you dont see the happy players because they dont feel the need to come to the forum and tell us all how good things are, doing anything at all for you is taking away from them, you just dont care about anyone but your own taste ragardless of the fact you are playing a game specifically designed for others

but of course not bowing to your every whim and wanting the game designed for us to keep putting its resources towards improving it us for us rather than others is immensely selfish and we should all feel bad for it not catering for people its not designed for /sarcasm

[Pottu]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Originally posted by Pottu:

jesus... do i need to spell it out for you? WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR THEM TO REMOVE AIRCRAFT OR AS YOU SAY " CHANGE DIRECTION ". WE ARE ONLY ASKING FOR THEM TO ADD A MODE ON THE SIDE... if those "problems" are really problems why do they keep the sim mode or the pve mode around then?

already answered 4 posts up that you choose to cover your eyes and pretend none of it matters while still demanding is self entitement. what else would you call caring for noone but your own opinion at the expense of others

'give me what i want, none of your reasons matter to me so why not do what i want, all we are asking is you ignore all reasons not to and do what i want' is essentially the beginnig middle and end of your argument here

you have a bad case of protagonist centred morality, did it ever occur to you that there is an entire demographic here that doesnt want what you do, that gaijin are doing a good job catering for them, you dont see the happy players because they dont feel the need to come to the forum and tell us all how good things are, doing anything at all for you is taking away from them, you just dont care about anyone but your own taste ragardless of the fact you are playing a game specifically designed for others

but of course not bowing to your every whim and wanting the game designed for us to keep putting its resources towards improving it us for us rather than others is immensely selfish and we should all feel bad for it not catering for people its not designed for /sarcasm

gotta love this mentality you have... so we ask for one thing and its instant no while the whole game caters to you...

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Pottu:

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

already answered 4 posts up that you choose to cover your eyes and pretend none of it matters while still demanding is self entitement. what else would you call caring for noone but your own opinion at the expense of others

'give me what i want, none of your reasons matter to me so why not do what i want, all we are asking is you ignore all reasons not to and do what i want' is essentially the beginnig middle and end of your argument here

you have a bad case of protagonist centred morality, did it ever occur to you that there is an entire demographic here that doesnt want what you do, that gaijin are doing a good job catering for them, you dont see the happy players because they dont feel the need to come to the forum and tell us all how good things are, doing anything at all for you is taking away from them, you just dont care about anyone but your own taste ragardless of the fact you are playing a game specifically designed for others

but of course not bowing to your every whim and wanting the game designed for us to keep putting its resources towards improving it us for us rather than others is immensely selfish and we should all feel bad for it not catering for people its not designed for /sarcasm

gotta love this mentality you have... so we ask for one thing and its instant no while the whole game caters to you...

thats it exactly, we are obviously all evil for wanting a game designed for us to keep catering for its intended audience

after all being the protagonist of your own life story everything you want is obviously right and correct, noone elses reasons matter and asking for a company to do something for you regardless of not being part of the intended audience is not self entitlement, its only to be expected

the be all and end all of your 'argument' is 'give me what i want and i dont care what you have to say', you asked for reasons and then when i gave you several paragraphs of them your response has been to ignore every part of it because its not convenient for getting what you want and attack the people the game is designed for as being somehow selfish for wanting to keep a game designed for them to themselves...

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Originally posted by Потанкуем?:

okay I will do it in custom match with 15 of my friends who cared enough to play war thunder that they now are ready to play a game mode that doesn't give you any rp

That would be a very rare event for me also.

I have noticed that custom battles are most useful for training with some vehicles, especially SPAA, against bots.

[Pottu]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Originally posted by Pottu:

gotta love this mentality you have... so we ask for one thing and its instant no while the whole game caters to you...

thats it exactly, we are obviously all evil for wanting a game designed for us to keep catering for its intended audience

after all being the protagonist of your own life story everything you want is obviously right and correct, noone elses reasons matter and asking for a company to do something for you regardless of not being part of the intended audience is not self entitlement, its only to be expected

the be all and end all of your 'argument' is 'give me what i want and i dont care what you have to say', you asked for reasons and then when i gave you several paragraphs of them your response has been to ignore every part of it because its not convenient for getting what you want and attack the people the game is designed for as being somehow selfish for wanting to keep a game designed for them to themselves...

must be a hard life being a ka50 main