Why is a10 ammo so heavely reduced?

[Til_Dovre_Faller]

first it was around 115mm of penetration, then reduced all the way down to ca 91mm then down to 79mm

why? it doesnt make any sense, if it was the actual pen, and it was inplemented, why change it?

[Valkyrie]

Balancing probs

[chicks99]

Gaijin doesn't like it when you use MGs/Cannons to do their intended ground attacking role instead of struggling against enemy aircraft.

Same thing happened to .50 Cals which used to pen 26 mm of armor max, and 20mms on vulcans which could do over 60mm back in the day.

Nerf patch:
https://warthunder.com/en/game/changelog/current/1421

[76561199341125672]

Because the GAU-8 Avenger can puncture also modern Russian tanks.

Quote from Business Insider:
"A US Air Force test showed that the A-10 attack aircraft, which is over 40 years old, can take out even modern tanks with its gun. The air service tested the attack aircraft against main battle tank surrogates with explosive reactive armor. The plane's GAU-8 Avenger cannon can fire around 3,900 rounds per minute."
By Julie Coleman,
May 10, 2022

[nosrepatsuj]

The same reason the A-10's tail falls off from a single 30mm while the su-25 eats multiple aams to the face

[biomike]

Originally posted by nosrepatsuj:

The same reason the A-10's tail falls off from a single 30mm while the su-25 eats multiple aams to the face

It doesnt even need to be a 30mm, ANY damage to its tail makes it unable to pull up

[Valkyrie]

Originally posted by Iron-56:

Because the GAU-8 Avenger can puncture also modern Russian tanks.

Quote from Business Insider:
"A US Air Force test showed that the A-10 attack aircraft, which is over 40 years old, can take out even modern tanks with its gun. The air service tested the attack aircraft against main battle tank surrogates with explosive reactive armor. The plane's GAU-8 Avenger cannon can fire around 3,900 rounds per minute."
By Julie Coleman,
May 10, 2022

Business insider, the most reliable source of news to ever exist.
During testing the A-10 showed to be incredibly ineffective under optimal conditions.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160304062736/http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a522397.pdf

[Mizzar]

Originally posted by Til_Dovre_Faller:

first it was around 115mm of penetration, then reduced all the way down to ca 91mm then down to 79mm

why? it doesnt make any sense, if it was the actual pen, and it was inplemented, why change it?

they really nerfed a10 but Su25 can still eat stingers as breakfast

[FizzyElf]

Originally posted by Mizzar:

Originally posted by Til_Dovre_Faller:

first it was around 115mm of penetration, then reduced all the way down to ca 91mm then down to 79mm

why? it doesnt make any sense, if it was the actual pen, and it was inplemented, why change it?

they really nerfed a10 but Su25 can still eat stingers as breakfast

Stingers? I have planted two of the Tunguska 2S6's missiles into the windshield of the damn thing and it only died because the pilot was too dumb to understand that flying at 100% throttle straight into the ground for a bombing run is a bad idea.

Originally posted by Iron-56:

Because the GAU-8 Avenger can puncture also modern Russian tanks.

Quote from Business Insider:
"A US Air Force test showed that the A-10 attack aircraft, which is over 40 years old, can take out even modern tanks with its gun. The air service tested the attack aircraft against main battle tank surrogates with explosive reactive armor. The plane's GAU-8 Avenger cannon can fire around 3,900 rounds per minute."
By Julie Coleman,
May 10, 2022

Can but only in a game like warthunder would it be a really good idea, in real life you are putting yourself and more importantly (from your leadership and countries standpoint) the plane in a lot of danger and under stress trying to manuever and aim the gun for repeated runs, even on convoys of basic trucks you could screw up, get your plane damaged by enemy fire or miss as miraculous as that would be. In game it is way deadlier and pilots can be way more suicidal, even the inaccurate 79mm pen is deadly here. Gaijin likes to make autocannons super strong on vehicles and then balance them with non-historical pen, reload and fire rate rebalances, occasionally building a new weapon entirely like they did with the R3 where the gun no longer functions like it's real world counterpart. Russia avoids most of this but the majority of their autocannons lack pen to begin with and only their airforce has them in significant numbers which for some reason go unchanged or get balanced out after everyone else.

A few autocannon vehicles have avoided rebalances outside of russia for years though like the L-62 anti from sweden so they aren't alone but it is still dumb to change these vehicles when you can just move them up in BR or in cases like the A10 you can make them easier to destroy which they have already done. I routinely damage them with my 7.62's and any 50cal or russian 12.7 I own is a death sentence and it's not like having 100+mm's of pen is a problem against enemy planes so ground can sting the A10 back if it tries to BRRRRT them and aircraft have no reason to fear one BRRRT cannon with 100mm's of pen vs another with 30 or 50mm's of pen. Changing the value doesn't even change the fact that it will still melt through roof armor so it is a pointless balancing decision in my opinion from both fighting against (more often then not, given I have multiple top tier nations ground out besides USA to play with) and along side the A10's.

[gus]

Originally posted by Valkyrie:

Originally posted by Iron-56:

Because the GAU-8 Avenger can puncture also modern Russian tanks.

Quote from Business Insider:
"A US Air Force test showed that the A-10 attack aircraft, which is over 40 years old, can take out even modern tanks with its gun. The air service tested the attack aircraft against main battle tank surrogates with explosive reactive armor. The plane's GAU-8 Avenger cannon can fire around 3,900 rounds per minute."
By Julie Coleman,
May 10, 2022

Business insider, the most reliable source of news to ever exist.
During testing the A-10 showed to be incredibly ineffective under optimal conditions.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160304062736/http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a522397.pdf

Did you even bother reading that source? The A10 had multiple catastrophic kills on multiple tanks by hitting them only ~10 times each. That's in real life where the chance to hit is much lower than in a game where it is trivial to aim and shoot at ground targets while in an A10.

[cheeki-breekiv1.1]

in short a10 needs a buff to be stronger gun wise and armor wise
and su25 well its a strong son of a gun that eats Missiles and has bmp2 cannon for its gun but needs to be realistic to life
(pls dont nerf su25bm it can eat 2 aim9ls and still fight on nerf everyother su25 but that one)

[=7Cav=SPC.Crimzon.E]

People seem to forget Russian tanks have very little side armor compared to NATO ones in many cases. And that Just because oh no the 30mm can't pen the front therefore it must be weak is absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. if a 25mm Bushmaster can ♥♥♥♥ up a T-72 by shooting its sides and engine block then sure as ♥♥♥♥ a 30mm GAU designed specifically for that can and did during the gulf war several times on record and in training.
Even without the Special DU rounds could still kill A T-series tank from a side profile like the pilots are trained to, Pilots practice Attack profiles a-lot and I have seen this in Person.
I have seen in Person the holes a A-10 put in a tank Wreck at the range

sick and tired of these dudes trying to prove the gun is absolutely useless against Armor.
is it practical no, not really. But it still works just fine as intended if they don't use or are out of AGMs.|


Also to note the A-10 Has many many many issues in game that it does not IRL it is lacking ♥♥♥♥ in Game that even the A models we have the A-10 Has

Also even if the now 78ish
mm of pen the HVAP rounds have, they do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for damage
if they do pen. I have plenty of times Tested it and shot BMPs, and other ♥♥♥♥ in game and the Damage is pretty pitiful