M829A3 and M829A4

[Sturbs]

Its apparent they do not like to upgrade the M1A2's frontal armor. They did a whole blog post on this. However the complete hulls have been upgraded throughout generations. The armor values have changed my uncle is tank commander for the 3rd id. There is significant upgrades to the hull armor from that off a m1a1 thats being sent too Ukraine compared to that of a M1A2 SEP 3. No different than the fact you guys leave out the 4th gen Depleted M829A3 which null in voids the russian ERA 5 and has a pen of 840mm, this round has been used since 2003 and its been present in the M1A1- current of which you guys dont list. The US also has the 5th gen du the M829A4 which has been around since 2015 in conjunction with the M1A2 SEP 3 which you guys once again do not offer. 5th gen can penetrate nearly 900mm or combined armour at 4K meters. Im not sure why you Gaijin handicaps the US. Every generational abrams has been designed to defeat and or reduce the penetration value of its own deployed munitions, Due too Nato as a combine using this 120mm, You guys deploy experimental tanks in the game but dont take the time to figure in service tanks out. A current M1A2 would simply knock out every single tank ever produce with 1 M829A3 round no current armor other than a challenger series has any type of defense to this none the less a M829A4 round.

[Mania]

JT の投稿を引用：

Russia wins wars keep coping

No Kyiv?

[FizzyElf]

Mania の投稿を引用：

JT の投稿を引用：

Russia wins wars keep coping

No Kyiv?

Comrade! do you see Torpedo boats!?

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Omega Sirius の投稿を引用：

<I Mr.Yablokov I> の投稿を引用：

they have the most modern abrams available and are still crying about it being weak japanese mains even worse they have the best japanese MBT available with no better one and they want a better one... when is israel getting their Merkava MK.5 or Germany the Leopard 2A8

You realize that most of Germany's tank fleet mostly consists of Leopard 2A4s and Leopard 2A5s right?
They only have like 20 Leopard 2A7s and that's being generous. Meanwhile, America has thousands upon thousands of the latest Abrams variants.
Leopard 2A8 doesn't even exist. Not even in service with the German army,

Also I have yet to see anybody asking for a "Merkava MK.5" or "Leopard 2A8." So where did you hear that from? Or are you just pulling that out of your rear end?

same goes to japan the Type10 isnt used in high numbers, but just a simple fact that japan has their most modern tanks but no one else does.

[FizzyElf]

<I Mr.Yablokov I> の投稿を引用：

Omega Sirius の投稿を引用：

You realize that most of Germany's tank fleet mostly consists of Leopard 2A4s and Leopard 2A5s right?
They only have like 20 Leopard 2A7s and that's being generous. Meanwhile, America has thousands upon thousands of the latest Abrams variants.
Leopard 2A8 doesn't even exist. Not even in service with the German army,

Also I have yet to see anybody asking for a "Merkava MK.5" or "Leopard 2A8." So where did you hear that from? Or are you just pulling that out of your rear end?

same goes to japan the Type10 isnt used in high numbers, but just a simple fact that japan has their most modern tanks but no one else does.

I guess Russia has two of them with the BVM and 90M, they have more than that in the modern tanks department but we don't have them in game yet... I forget is the 90S a new or old export model of the 90 series? if it is new then you could lump that in.

[Chaoslord 87]

<I Mr.Yablokov I> の投稿を引用：

they have the most modern abrams available and are still crying about it being weak japanese mains even worse they have the best japanese MBT available with no better one and they want a better one... when is israel getting their Merkava MK.5 or Germany the Leopard 2A8

Many complain because the vehicles are still missing certain traits.
For example:
-The Type 10 was designed to be faster and more agile than the Type 90 but it´s not ingame. It also misses it´s modular armor package.

-The Arietes have composite hull armor at least on par with Leo 2a4 but ingame it has spaced armor in the UFP.

[Omega Sirius]

Chaoslord 87 の投稿を引用：

<I Mr.Yablokov I> の投稿を引用：

they have the most modern abrams available and are still crying about it being weak japanese mains even worse they have the best japanese MBT available with no better one and they want a better one... when is israel getting their Merkava MK.5 or Germany the Leopard 2A8

Many complain because the vehicles are still missing certain traits.
For example:
-The Type 10 was designed to be faster and more agile than the Type 90 but it´s not ingame. It also misses it´s modular armor package.

-The Arietes have composite hull armor at least on par with Leo 2a4 but ingame it has spaced armor in the UFP.

That's a big claim to say that Arietes have composite armor over the spaced armor.

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FizzyElf の投稿を引用：

<I Mr.Yablokov I> の投稿を引用：

same goes to japan the Type10 isnt used in high numbers, but just a simple fact that japan has their most modern tanks but no one else does.

I guess Russia has two of them with the BVM and 90M, they have more than that in the modern tanks department but we don't have them in game yet... I forget is the 90S a new or old export model of the 90 series? if it is new then you could lump that in.

Russia is a different they have only a few amount of tanks but a ton of variants and all of these modernizations, at the moment they have enough tanks more modern T-80BVM or T-90M make only sense when the others also arrive strongpoint STRV-122 Leopard2A8, as for usa there are no further ones but they could still add a few more abrams or a new bradley.

[FizzyElf]

Omega Sirius の投稿を引用：

Chaoslord 87 の投稿を引用：

Many complain because the vehicles are still missing certain traits.
For example:
-The Type 10 was designed to be faster and more agile than the Type 90 but it´s not ingame. It also misses it´s modular armor package.

-The Arietes have composite hull armor at least on par with Leo 2a4 but ingame it has spaced armor in the UFP.

That's a big claim to say that Arietes have composite armor over the spaced armor.

It's a big claim to say the Arietes have armor to begin with.

[Chaoslord 87]

Omega Sirius の投稿を引用：

That's a big claim to say that Arietes have composite armor over the spaced armor.

This comes from OTO Melara.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230126040024/https://www.iveco-otomelara.com/tracked/ArieteMBT.php

It would be a very strange design choice to opt for spaced hull armor in 1994, then every other uses composite armor since decades earlier.

[anonymous_skrub]

Anaxi の投稿を引用：

Only if your uncle had some secrect documents to share to enlighten the topic lol

So Gaijin has access to Russia's top secret documents regarding the 3BM60 round- which went into service in 2016? Or is that all guesswork they're doing?

[chubbysubby]

even with m829a2, the pen isn't close to the real life version. it has at least 700-750mm of pen

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Sturbs の投稿を引用：

Its apparent they do not like to upgrade the M1A2's frontal armor. They did a whole blog post on this. However the complete hulls have been upgraded throughout generations. The armor values have changed my uncle is tank commander for the 3rd id. There is significant upgrades to the hull armor from that off a m1a1 thats being sent too Ukraine compared to that of a M1A2 SEP 3. No different than the fact you guys leave out the 4th gen Depleted M829A3 which null in voids the russian ERA 5 and has a pen of 840mm, this round has been used since 2003 and its been present in the M1A1- current of which you guys dont list. The US also has the 5th gen du the M829A4 which has been around since 2015 in conjunction with the M1A2 SEP 3 which you guys once again do not offer. 5th gen can penetrate nearly 900mm or combined armour at 4K meters. Im not sure why you Gaijin handicaps the US. Every generational abrams has been designed to defeat and or reduce the penetration value of its own deployed munitions, Due too Nato as a combine using this 120mm, You guys deploy experimental tanks in the game but dont take the time to figure in service tanks out. A current M1A2 would simply knock out every single tank ever produce with 1 M829A3 round no current armor other than a challenger series has any type of defense to this none the less a M829A4 round.

Russia doesnt have their 3BM59 or 3BM70 either, the BVM should have 3BM59 available and the T-90M should be able to use the 3BM70.