Abrams armor

[MLGrocket]

can't wait to see gaijin's "evidence" on how america never upgraded the abrams' armor after the M1A1 be debunked to hell and back and then still deny the facts. M829A3 won't help as much as simply admitting the abrams armor was upgraded and for them to give it the armor is has. they already admitted they don't believe DU inserts were ever even used, now they believe the nation with the largest defense budget wouldn't upgrade the armor at all?

i should also mention, they have been given basically every. single. piece of declassified info that exists proving it uses the DU inserts and that the armor was upgraded in general, and they still deny the facts.

[Tongan_Boy01]

Hear hear

[flat_Lander1]

Do you have any documents that say exact composition, materials, numbers of DU armor?
Or is it just "we know its there so gaijin should add it"

[MLGrocket]

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

Do you have any documents that say exact composition, materials, numbers of DU armor?
Or is it just "we know its there so gaijin should add it"

do exact numbers matter in a game where 70% of the vehicles have made up numbers? with about half of that being russian?

[Resident NATO Freedom Enjoyer]

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

Do you have any documents that say exact composition, materials, numbers of DU armor?
Or is it just "we know its there so gaijin should add it"

I find it difficult to believe even Abrams crew know the exact composition of the materials and the sort. However I also find it difficult to believe that Russian vehicle crews do either, despite Gaijin being eager to take the largest estimate they can find.

[flat_Lander1]

Originally posted by MLGrocket:

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

Do you have any documents that say exact composition, materials, numbers of DU armor?
Or is it just "we know its there so gaijin should add it"

do exact numbers matter in a game where 70% of the vehicles have made up numbers? with about half of that being russian?

yes they does and no 70% of the vehicles does not have made up numbers and if you think that everything russian in the game is made up maybe you should check your info

[MLGrocket]

Originally posted by Resident NATO Freedom Enjoyer:

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

Do you have any documents that say exact composition, materials, numbers of DU armor?
Or is it just "we know its there so gaijin should add it"

I find it difficult to believe even Abrams crew know the exact composition of the materials and the sort. However I also find it difficult to believe that Russian vehicle crews do either, despite Gaijin being eager to take the largest estimate they can find.

exactly, if you want a very good example of made up numbers, look at the RUSSIAN kronshtadt, it never even existed, yet for a couple years was, by far, the most overpowered ship in naval. how did gaijin get numbers for something that never existed? they couldn't ask the russian military, cause they don't have the numbers either.

[flat_Lander1]

Originally posted by Resident NATO Freedom Enjoyer:

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

Do you have any documents that say exact composition, materials, numbers of DU armor?
Or is it just "we know its there so gaijin should add it"

I find it difficult to believe even Abrams crew know the exact composition of the materials and the sort. However I also find it difficult to believe that Russian vehicle crews do either, despite Gaijin being eager to take the largest estimate they can find.

info about russian tanks are much easier to find in general and on top of that i bet gaijin has contacts in russian defense ministry
also russia sells many of its vehicles to everyone who buys them so its really hard to keep something a secret if you sell it to everyone

[MLGrocket]

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

Originally posted by MLGrocket:

do exact numbers matter in a game where 70% of the vehicles have made up numbers? with about half of that being russian?

yes they does and no 70% of the vehicles does not have made up numbers and if you think that everything russian in the game is made up maybe you should check your info

ooooh, i see, you're a russia main and are simply coping. now it makes sense. so here's an example, the kronshtadt never existed, so where did the numbers come from?

[flat_Lander1]

Originally posted by MLGrocket:

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

yes they does and no 70% of the vehicles does not have made up numbers and if you think that everything russian in the game is made up maybe you should check your info

ooooh, i see, you're a russia main and are simply coping. now it makes sense. so here's an example, the kronshtadt never existed, so where did the numbers come from?

keep calling everyone russian main if it suits you maus, e100, tiger 105 and panther 2 never existed either and sweden never had a t80 nor mi28 but here we are

[MLGrocket]

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

Originally posted by MLGrocket:

ooooh, i see, you're a russia main and are simply coping. now it makes sense. so here's an example, the kronshtadt never existed, so where did the numbers come from?

keep calling everyone russian main if it suits you maus, e100, tiger 105 and panther 2 never existed either and sweden never had a t80 nor mi28 but here we are

wait wait, they never existed? so you admit most of the game is just made up numbers? thanks for clarifying.

[flat_Lander1]

Originally posted by MLGrocket:

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

keep calling everyone russian main if it suits you maus, e100, tiger 105 and panther 2 never existed either and sweden never had a t80 nor mi28 but here we are

wait wait, they never existed? so you admit most of the game is just made up numbers? thanks for clarifying.

some does not mean everything if you are too narrow minded to understand that i have a bad news for you

[MLGrocket]

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

Originally posted by MLGrocket:

wait wait, they never existed? so you admit most of the game is just made up numbers? thanks for clarifying.

some does not mean everything if you are too narrow minded to undestand that i have a bad news for you

you are very english good, yes.

i already know you're simply coping, so thanks for proving my point even further.

i'd bet you also think the T14 actually exists, and isn't just an empty shell.

[83athom]

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

Do you have any documents that say exact composition, materials, numbers of DU armor?
Or is it just "we know its there so gaijin should add it"

The issue is that most of the available documents are technically "declassified" and are available to the public, however they still have a gag order on them that prevent them from being shared on the internet to other countries.

However in one case the armor package the Swedes tested, which Gaijin has used as a source for the Leo 2, featured much higher protection values than what's in game and was put on the SEP IRL yet in game the armor was never improved.

Plus there's still the issue of the glaringly wrong turret ring that's proven by even just looking at an actual Abrams.

[tehRein]

Originally posted by MLGrocket:

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

some does not mean everything if you are too narrow minded to undestand that i have a bad news for you

you are very english good, yes.

i already know you're simply coping, so thanks for proving my point even further.

i'd bet you also think the T14 actually exists, and isn't just an empty shell.

And you believe that abrams is the best MBT in the world because american sources said so :3

[flat_Lander1]

Originally posted by MLGrocket:

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

some does not mean everything if you are too narrow minded to undestand that i have a bad news for you

you are very english good, yes.

i already know you're simply coping, so thanks for proving my point even further.

i'd bet you also think the T14 actually exists, and isn't just an empty shell.

yeah sure everybody is coping and seething but you are the only one who is right also everybody is a russian main if you disagree with them