War Thunder needs serious BR rework.

[Skyz]

Non stabilised tanks should not be versing stabilised APFSDS, this is just straight up unfair and ridiculous.

[Pozieres]

It is all a work in progress, as they add ♥♥♥♥ things get moved around

[Slyke]

What happens when a "stabilized tank" isn't good to face any other tanks with stabilizers? This kind of black and white approach never makes things more "fair".

[-NODER-_Novastorm_]

Автор сообщения: Curst

What happens when a "stabilized tank" isn't good to face any other tanks with stabilizers? This kind of black and white approach never makes things more "fair".

Shooting accurate on the move is always a big advantage, simple as that...

[rigolgm]

For me, a tricky area is also around 8.0-9.0, when:
- you have non-thermals vs thermals
- you have HEAT vehicles vs ERA

[Slyke]

A big advantage, yes. But it can't be the only factor in deciding what you face in battle. Other parameters are also important and in some circumstances they can outweight presence or absence of stabilizers.

[Skyz]

Russia 8.3 is especially annoying, playing Germany against Russia is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nightmare. The T55AM, T55A and T10M all have stabilisers, APFSDS, HEAT-FS and good armour. I'm playing the Leopard 1 24/7 against tanks completely superior in every way. Even 8.3 Germany isn't anywhere near as good as 8.3 Russia

[Thomas Karate]

I can't believe they put the B17 bomber at 1.3 br

[Slyke]

That's what you think. Facing German tanks is the worst nightmare for Soviets. Learn to properly apply your vehicles.

[JuX]

Definitely needs some work. You are in low end of tier 4 and you already have to deal with jets right out the gate.

[Harry Nurpplez]

Автор сообщения: Maniac5000

BR as in, battle royale?

BR=Battle Rating

[kamikazi21358]

BR decompression would fix this.

Perhaps you would find this interesting.
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/460489-br-decompression-rank-iv-vii-tanks-v-vi-aircraft/

[Slyke]

He seems to want more compression, though, not less. This time it's along the line of "stabilizers" / "no stabilizers". Which sounds at least more straightforward than the ever popular "WW2" / "Post-war" at first, and then you realize that Shermans have stabilizers too...

[kamikazi21358]

Автор сообщения: Curst

He seems to want more compression, though, not less. This time it's along the line of "stabilizers" / "no stabilizers". Which sounds at least more straightforward than the ever popular "WW2" / "Post-war" at first, and then you realize that Shermans have stabilizers too...

I think this isn't what he meant, talking about stabilized shermans fighting modern tanks and stuff is pretty, nitpicky in what he said.

Stabilizers at lower tiers are considered anyways, take the Sherman, which it gets only an ok-ish BR for it's firepower, mobility, etc. It gets minor advantages such as the stabilizer, which is pretty good tbh, that justify most of their BRs.

Plus the Sherman's stabilizer is not a full-on 2-axis stabilizer, but a simply short-stop stab.

Автор сообщения: Skyz

Non stabilised tanks should not be versing stabilised APFSDS, this is just straight up unfair and ridiculous.

Using this, this would be solved by BR decompression, because this could be referring to, for example, T-62s and T-55As with APFSDS and stabilizers, fighting M47s. M48s and M60s have HEAT-FS and APDS, but lack stabilizers and are uptiered to fight tanks like the T-55AM-1, which has a 2-plane stabilizer, APFSDS and 4km ranged ATGMs, laser rangefinder and FCS, and composite components with increased mobility.

Basically Rank V tanks are fighting stronger, faster, harder hitting tanks that can fire more accurately without even slowing down. Before furthered compression, for most of Rank I-III, you rarely encounter vehicles that can do literally everything you can do, but better, even in a full uptier; and in the cases they can do everything better, they do it very, very mildly, making skill the ultimate deciding factor.

Otherwise, as far as I am concerned, unless you're playing a historical matchmaker battle or something, fighting vehicles that have every advantage over you, to the point that you can pretty much play almost however you want against an uptiered vehicle because you do everything it can do so much better than it, that you would have to be playing like an idiot and they would have to be absolutely amazing or lucky with their vehicle to even stand a chance, balance is obviously no longer a concern with Gaijin and BR compression pretty much explains almost half of the issues people have in this game.

[Player55545]

Автор сообщения: Skyz

Non stabilised tanks should not be versing stabilised APFSDS, this is just straight up unfair and ridiculous.

Play USA's tanks and you will have stabilizer from Tier I tanks. I remember playing br 1.3 ground realistic with m3 stuart and with it's stabilizer before.

[Slyke]

There is still no clear line here with fully stabilized vehicles being as low as 5.3 and non-stabilized as high as 8.7. You'd have to compress everything within that to make sure the two never meet.

In the meantime things like PT-76B aren't fit to fight even M46 let alone anything more modern. That's what he wants though. And if it isn't, he should have picked better words instead of doing this black and white separation like many before him.