Please just delete the ZSU 57 / nerf pen

[Xeonzs]

Seriously, why does this thing have so much pen, you moved vehicles like the gepard up, but leave the overpowered ZSU 57 where it's at?

Is this another russian bias thing? It certainly looks like it when the WZ305 which litterally a copy-paste chinese tank is at 8.0 and even 8.7 in arcade, yes it has a proximity fused HE anti air shell, but people don't play these 2 machines to be anti-air.

It's a complete joke that a vehicle like the Wiesel 1A2 is even higher in tier at 7.3 than the ZSU, like what are the devs smoking? Stalinium vapors?

It gets even worse when you realize that people complain about the PT-76-57, except the ZSU has the same shells AND has 2 barrels AND is 0.7-1.3 tiers lower than the PT-76-57.
Why would anyone even buy the PT in this scenario, when you can get a progression vehicle with twice the firepower at a much lower BR to club some ww2 vehicles instead?

Warrior at 8.0? Nah too OP, move it further up to 8.3.
ZSU-57 at 7.0? Deleting everything in sight? Yeap seems just fine.

#Rant #Salty #Stunned

[Belgord]

It is not any kind of bias, it is just a very average ability to balance the game by gaijin

[Xeonzs]

Originally posted by Belgord:

It is not any kind of bias, it is just a very average ability to balance the game by gaijin

Apparently this particular issues has been around since 2016, absolutely mind boggling.

[Pec]

Its probably worse where it is given a lot of higher br vehicles trade armour for mobility.
The zsu isnt a spaa at all having no proximity and the recall being to high to spray while staying on target. Think of it like shooting planes down with a tank cannon but you get 4 tries but any plane can just mg you to death so using it as a actual anti air is risky unlike the gepard.

better then the Wiesel but i would still take the gepard over it

[Aegis270]

Originally posted by Xeonzs:

Seriously, why does this thing have so much pen, you moved vehicles like the gepard up, but leave the overpowered ZSU 57 where it's at?

Is this another russian bias thing? It certainly looks like it when the WZ305 which litterally a copy-paste chinese tank is at 8.0 and even 8.7 in arcade, yes it has a proximity fused HE anti air shell, but people don't play these 2 machines to be anti-air.

It's a complete joke that a vehicle like the Wiesel 1A2 is even higher in tier at 7.3 than the ZSU, like what are the devs smoking? Stalinium vapors?

It gets even worse when you realize that people complain about the PT-76-57, except the ZSU has the same shells AND has 2 barrels AND is 0.7-1.3 tiers lower than the PT-76-57.
Why would anyone even buy the PT in this scenario, when you can get a progression vehicle with twice the firepower at a much lower BR to club some ww2 vehicles instead?

Warrior at 8.0? Nah too OP, move it further up to 8.3.
ZSU-57 at 7.0? Deleting everything in sight? Yeap seems just fine.

#Rant #Salty #Stunned

What? The ZSU-57-2 is decent, but hardly OP. 151 pen is great for an AA, but you have to flank to take out most enemies you face. Come up against any heavy and most medium opponents, and you don't stand a chance.

The HE-VT is an absurdly giant advantage for the WZ, it makes it the single AA vehicle at that tier that can actually counter ATGM helis if they are flown properly, while also being a credible AA threat against early jets with unguided ordinance as well. Especially in arcade where you get the lead indicator. The 57-2 is borderline incapable of being an AA in comparison.

What makes the Wiesel better is the incredibly small size and thermals. The Wiesel is a scout tank through and through, you can hide it just about anywhere with bushes and enemies just won't notice you. Sure, the killing power is worse, but it's still completely efficient against enemy light vehicles, and you more than make up for it in AA ability and scouting.

Are you really going to discount the full stabilizer and laser range finder the PT-76-57 has? Those give it an absolutely huge advantage in reaction speed and at longer ranges. The difference in barrels is hardly an advantage considering the rate of fire. Needing two shots at 120 rpm isn't much of a handicap, especially considering you're going for sideshots and almost certainly crippling them with the first hit. That's on top of the advantages in speed (especially in reverse) and survivability in not being open topped.

[Ddinosaur]

I think OP severely underestimates the capabilities of HE-VT

And the fact that most times you ♥♥♥♥ up a critical shot in the ZSU, your dead because almost all of the ammo is in the turret and where do most tank players shoot? Like you can be .50 cal'd, it's the br's equivalent to the ASU-57

Also besides the ZSU-57 was almost immediately moved to a support gun role since it was inadequate for anti-air duty, but it's still called SPAA

[Cop Unit 12]

I mean you can kill a ZSU-57 with a 7mm mg so long as your accurate.

[Legion]

Lmao OP go actually use the ZSU-57 and see how 'great' it is yourself...

[Suthirak_D42]

It's 57mm dude. It's your skill issue.

[flat_Lander1]

Originally posted by Xeonzs:

Seriously, why does this thing have so much pen, you moved vehicles like the gepard up, but leave the overpowered ZSU 57 where it's at?

Is this another russian bias thing? It certainly looks like it when the WZ305 which litterally a copy-paste chinese tank is at 8.0 and even 8.7 in arcade, yes it has a proximity fused HE anti air shell, but people don't play these 2 machines to be anti-air.

It's a complete joke that a vehicle like the Wiesel 1A2 is even higher in tier at 7.3 than the ZSU, like what are the devs smoking? Stalinium vapors?

It gets even worse when you realize that people complain about the PT-76-57, except the ZSU has the same shells AND has 2 barrels AND is 0.7-1.3 tiers lower than the PT-76-57.
Why would anyone even buy the PT in this scenario, when you can get a progression vehicle with twice the firepower at a much lower BR to club some ww2 vehicles instead?

Warrior at 8.0? Nah too OP, move it further up to 8.3.
ZSU-57 at 7.0? Deleting everything in sight? Yeap seems just fine.

#Rant #Salty #Stunned

people do play WZ305 as an spaa and its very effective at that role, proxy is a huge bonus over soviet zsu
and no zsu-57-2 is not unbalanced you have the same chance of dying from falcon, gepard, marksman, itspv, begleit or any similar vehicle as from zsu

[Pec]

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

people do play WZ305 as an spaa and its very effective at that role, proxy is a huge bonus over soviet zsu
and no zsu-57-2 is not unbalanced you have the same chance of dying from falcon, gepard, marksman, itspv, begleit or any similar vehicle as from zsu

Would agree though defiantly not the marksman(maybe the Swedish one) since it has the mobility + size of a maus

[flat_Lander1]

Originally posted by GB:

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

people do play WZ305 as an spaa and its very effective at that role, proxy is a huge bonus over soviet zsu
and no zsu-57-2 is not unbalanced you have the same chance of dying from falcon, gepard, marksman, itspv, begleit or any similar vehicle as from zsu

Would agree though defiantly not the marksman(maybe the Swedish one) since it has the mobility + size of a maus

itspv, marksman and gepard has the same guns and type of ammo that overperform massively thats was my point
swedish one is a monster thats for sure