Introducing the worst vehicle in the game

[nirvana_sth]

its name is 2S25M, its in USSR tech tree.
it sits at BR 10.0.
its so bad, a reserve French tank at BR 1.0 can pen it frontally anywhere:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3065350169

it has mediocre mobility, bad gun depression, no heavy machine gun, sub par reload speed, terrible vertical gun targeting speed and each of the modules in the modifications costs upward on 20,000 RP to unlock.

its so bad that any shot anywhere will kill the entire crew, guaranteed 1 shot for any tank in this game.

the only thing that could make this slightly useful could be the suspension control as it shares the same chassis with BMP-3.
unfortunately Gaijin in their ultimate wisdom, did not give this vehicle any forward or backward suspension recline (unlike BMP-3) which makes this a very sorry and useless tank.

one might ask the question, why is this even a thing in WT?
it has no place in this game, let alone at BR 10.0.

[IC3D_ZOMBIE]

I assure you as someone who takes the amx 38 in top 10.0 and above it often, the amx 38 cant kill anything other than a heli or bmps close up in my experience.

[nirvana_sth]

Originally posted by IC3D_ZOMBIE:

I assure you as someone who takes the amx 38 in top 10.0 and above it often, the amx 38 cant kill anything other than a heli or bmps close up in my experience.

i haven't played French ground at all, but i assure you they will not be as bad as 2S25M.
i have Leopard A1A1 (L/44) premium in German tech tree which is similar to AMX-30, and while not the best tank in the world, it is certainly playable.
due to its good gun depression, you can take it behind a hill in a hull down mode, and it has great mobility.
2S25M cannot go into hull down because of its poor gun depression, and since it is a tall tank it can easily be destroyed behind shallow hills its.
there is nmo redeeming point about 2S25M that i can think of.

[biomike]

BM-8-24 is much much worse, when light MGs have more pen than your only weapon its real bad

[IC3D_ZOMBIE]

Originally posted by nirvana_sth:

Originally posted by IC3D_ZOMBIE:

I assure you as someone who takes the amx 38 in top 10.0 and above it often, the amx 38 cant kill anything other than a heli or bmps close up in my experience.

i haven't played French ground at all, but i assure you they will not be as bad as 2S25M.
i have Leopard A1A1 (L/44) premium in German tech tree which is similar to AMX-30, and while not the best tank in the world, it is certainly playable.
due to its good gun depression, you can take it behind a hill in a hull down mode, and it has great mobility.
2S25M cannot go into hull down because of its poor gun depression, and since it is a tall tank it can easily be destroyed behind shallow hills its.
there is nmo redeeming point about 2S25M that i can think of.

Amx 38 is a 1.0 lol, and its pen is way better than france at 10.0 too, its not the worst tank in the game but everyone feels like their tank is pain

[Cha Cha Real Rough]

wait til hears about the regular 2S25 at 9.3 that doesn't even get thermals as a light tank and faces literally every top tier premium, oh and yeah is overpressured by heat everywhere

[nirvana_sth]

Originally posted by biomike:

BM-8-24 is much much worse, when light MGs have more pen than your only weapon its real bad

its a 1.3 vehicle, vs a 10.0 vehicle...
not even close in comparison

[nirvana_sth]

Originally posted by IC3D_ZOMBIE:

Originally posted by nirvana_sth:

i haven't played French ground at all, but i assure you they will not be as bad as 2S25M.
i have Leopard A1A1 (L/44) premium in German tech tree which is similar to AMX-30, and while not the best tank in the world, it is certainly playable.
due to its good gun depression, you can take it behind a hill in a hull down mode, and it has great mobility.
2S25M cannot go into hull down because of its poor gun depression, and since it is a tall tank it can easily be destroyed behind shallow hills its.
there is nmo redeeming point about 2S25M that i can think of.

Amx 38 is a 1.0 lol, and its pen is way better than france at 10.0 too, its not the worst tank in the game but everyone feels like their tank is pain

not 2S25M. i tried my best to play it, but the only playable way is to cower behind a wall or something and scout the enemy tank, or if there was an opportunity there to get a sneak shot.
its not fast enough to be the first to get to the flags, nor it has a meaningful depression to do the hull down.
there is literally no "use" for this thing.
im trying to spade it, it has been a horror story.
you need to score points to unlock modules, 20,000 RP each, and yeh you can't play the game you can't score RP.
it has nothing redeemable at all.

[nirvana_sth]

Originally posted by Cha Cha Real Rough:

wait til hears about the regular 2S25 at 9.3 that doesn't even get thermals as a light tank and faces literally every top tier premium, oh and yeah is overpressured by heat everywhere

oh i had that too, and i skipped it because it was utterly garbage.
this one is not any better, but being a rank 7 tank it costs a lot of RP to unlock laser range finder, decent round, smoke etc. etc.

[Cha Cha Real Rough]

Originally posted by nirvana_sth:

Originally posted by Cha Cha Real Rough:

wait til hears about the regular 2S25 at 9.3 that doesn't even get thermals as a light tank and faces literally every top tier premium, oh and yeah is overpressured by heat everywhere

oh i had that too, and i skipped it because it was utterly garbage.
this one is not any better, but being a rank 7 tank it costs a lot of RP to unlock laser range finder, decent round, smoke etc. etc.

all downsides aside though, I liked the 2S25M because its kinda goofy for a light tank

A funny thing to note for it is that its recoil is INSANE, like look 90 degrees to the left and shoot looking down sight, when the gun settles it points up because the recoil is so high it thinks you moved your mouse to look up, it literally moves the entire tank.

Honestly its not the worse vehicle I've played, but basically all of its wheeled contemporaries are more viable in most ways, and the stryker is just the same thing but better, but its definitely still usable as a sniper.

[Bu3(SW)]

Originally posted by nirvana_sth:

Originally posted by biomike:

BM-8-24 is much much worse, when light MGs have more pen than your only weapon its real bad

its a 1.3 vehicle, vs a 10.0 vehicle...
not even close in comparison

It absolutely is a close comparison since it literally can't kill anything.

[Bu3(SW)]

Originally posted by nirvana_sth:

its name is 2S25M, its in USSR tech tree.
it sits at BR 10.0.
its so bad, a reserve French tank at BR 1.0 can pen it frontally anywhere:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3065350169

it has mediocre mobility, bad gun depression, no heavy machine gun, sub par reload speed, terrible vertical gun targeting speed and each of the modules in the modifications costs upward on 20,000 RP to unlock.

its so bad that any shot anywhere will kill the entire crew, guaranteed 1 shot for any tank in this game.

the only thing that could make this slightly useful could be the suspension control as it shares the same chassis with BMP-3.
unfortunately Gaijin in their ultimate wisdom, did not give this vehicle any forward or backward suspension recline (unlike BMP-3) which makes this a very sorry and useless tank.

one might ask the question, why is this even a thing in WT?
it has no place in this game, let alone at BR 10.0.

It is a light scout tank with ok mobility. Yea it has some weaknesses but to complain about armor on a light scout tank is like complaining the ocean is wet. I think it is a joke to be at 10br but with all the BR nonsense its meh.

Now this is not a bad tank though. It has a powerful apsds, a decent atgm (even if not tandem), a laser rangefinder (at tier 2 also), thermal and a scout drone.

Seems to me you want a medium and are playing a light scout. try the t80 lineups.

[nirvana_sth]

Originally posted by Cha Cha Real Rough:

Originally posted by nirvana_sth:

oh i had that too, and i skipped it because it was utterly garbage.
this one is not any better, but being a rank 7 tank it costs a lot of RP to unlock laser range finder, decent round, smoke etc. etc.

all downsides aside though, I liked the 2S25M because its kinda goofy for a light tank

A funny thing to note for it is that its recoil is INSANE, like look 90 degrees to the left and shoot looking down sight, when the gun settles it points up because the recoil is so high it thinks you moved your mouse to look up, it literally moves the entire tank.

Honestly its not the worse vehicle I've played, but basically all of its wheeled contemporaries are more viable in most ways, and the stryker is just the same thing but better, but its definitely still usable as a sniper.

i tried to like it, and spent a lot of time trying to spade it, but i cannot find it playable.
sniper... if it had a decent gun depression yes, but it does not.
i can do better sniping in my T-64B or T-72s, don't understand the usage of 2S25M for this role, since any shot to its roof is a guaranteed death, however T-64/72 is pretty much impervious to enemy fire frontally, having your hull behind objects.
it does nothing good, not even ok.

[nirvana_sth]

Originally posted by Bu3(SW):

Originally posted by nirvana_sth:

its a 1.3 vehicle, vs a 10.0 vehicle...
not even close in comparison

It absolutely is a close comparison since it literally can't kill anything.

the problem with 2S25M is not that you cannot kill anyone, its the fact that anything can kill you regardless of rank.

[nirvana_sth]

Originally posted by Bu3(SW):

Originally posted by nirvana_sth:

its name is 2S25M, its in USSR tech tree.
it sits at BR 10.0.
its so bad, a reserve French tank at BR 1.0 can pen it frontally anywhere:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3065350169

it has mediocre mobility, bad gun depression, no heavy machine gun, sub par reload speed, terrible vertical gun targeting speed and each of the modules in the modifications costs upward on 20,000 RP to unlock.

its so bad that any shot anywhere will kill the entire crew, guaranteed 1 shot for any tank in this game.

the only thing that could make this slightly useful could be the suspension control as it shares the same chassis with BMP-3.
unfortunately Gaijin in their ultimate wisdom, did not give this vehicle any forward or backward suspension recline (unlike BMP-3) which makes this a very sorry and useless tank.

one might ask the question, why is this even a thing in WT?
it has no place in this game, let alone at BR 10.0.

It is a light scout tank with ok mobility. Yea it has some weaknesses but to complain about armor on a light scout tank is like complaining the ocean is wet. I think it is a joke to be at 10br but with all the BR nonsense its meh.

Now this is not a bad tank though. It has a powerful apsds, a decent atgm (even if not tandem), a laser rangefinder (at tier 2 also), thermal and a scout drone.

Seems to me you want a medium and are playing a light scout. try the t80 lineups.

its still the worst. cannot see anything else like it. its competitors are far superior in every aspect. there is no redeeming point here. it just sucks, plain and simple.

[Bu3(SW)]

Originally posted by nirvana_sth:

Originally posted by Bu3(SW):

It is a light scout tank with ok mobility. Yea it has some weaknesses but to complain about armor on a light scout tank is like complaining the ocean is wet. I think it is a joke to be at 10br but with all the BR nonsense its meh.

Now this is not a bad tank though. It has a powerful apsds, a decent atgm (even if not tandem), a laser rangefinder (at tier 2 also), thermal and a scout drone.

Seems to me you want a medium and are playing a light scout. try the t80 lineups.

its still the worst. cannot see anything else like it. its competitors are far superior in every aspect. there is no redeeming point here. it just sucks, plain and simple.

It is a "LIGHT" tank. It is by nature suppose to be fragile. At this BR most tanks shed their armor for mobility or added technology. If anything lacking armor does you a solid favor because sometimes rounds will not kill you cause they explode after penning right through. Learn to ambush with it. This is something at this br you should understand. Many tanks are 1hko at this BR and a light tank is not and should not be an exception.

This vehicle is very comparable armor wise to the BMP lineup or khrizanetema. They can be killed by low levels as well. It is normal for light tanks.