AIM-7m what am I doing wrong?

[EmuWarlord]

I'm told that I should notch the missile while chaffing at low alt for best chances but this very rarely seems to work, am I missing something? Is there an extra step I don't know about? or should I just J out when an F-16c locks me?

[SirLlamaGeddon]

If they lock from behind your're screwed, same goes for r73s/R27Ts etc. Although u can do full control and *sometimes* dodge them.

[JuX]

Originally posted by Sir Llama Geddon:

If they lock from behind your're screwed, same goes for r73s/R27Ts etc. Although u can do full control and *sometimes* dodge them.

Talking about 7M and not 9M


Low altitude doesn't seem to affect the F-16's and MIG-29's at all. Iv been belly landed on runway and seen MIG-29 locking me by some magic.

Notching doesn't work either like it used to. You are better off turning +90 degrees and getting chaff between the two of you. So you can break both type of locks in one swoop.

[EmuWarlord]

Originally posted by JuX:

Originally posted by Sir Llama Geddon:

If they lock from behind your're screwed, same goes for r73s/R27Ts etc. Although u can do full control and *sometimes* dodge them.

Talking about 7M and not 9M


Low altitude doesn't seem to affect the F-16's and MIG-29's at all. Iv been belly landed on runway and seen MIG-29 locking me by some magic.

Notching doesn't work either like it used to. You are better off turning +90 degrees and getting chaff between the two of you. So you can break both type of locks in one swoop.

yeah thats basically been my strategy, works maybe 30% of the time but its the best I got.

[karabaş 🐕‍🦺]

i think you are not flying low enough, im not running chaffs at 12.0 br and i died to a radar missile a week ago last time, 7M has nothing special

you said F-16C especially so i guess you got hit by an AIM-9M istead of 7M ? maybe ?

[EmuWarlord]

Originally posted by Lv.27 Arsonist:

i think you are not flying low enough, im not running chaffs at 12.0 br and i died to a radar missile a week ago last time, 7M has nothing special

you said F-16C especially so i guess you got hit by an AIM-9M istead of 7M ? maybe ?

so 20m alt is not low enough? should I be cutting the grass on my way over?
I have been hit by both missiles before, but I am talking about the aim7m here, its killing me far more often than the aim9m

[EmuWarlord]

the main issue is the radar on the F-16 allows for excellent tracking that I can't seem to break in any way other than putting a mountain between us

[karabaş 🐕‍🦺]

i mean we cant be much of an help without actually seeing the issue maybe a clip of the event or replay ? i have never had anything similar to that issue, maybe you got splash damaged due to flying extremely low ? happened to me a few times with AIM-54s

[EmuWarlord]

dunno man, will just keep playing and see if I can figure it out, I can notch other radar missiles, but the F-16 just has an insane radar that is unreasonably hard to notch, its not so much the missile itself, just the fact that its being guided by the entire US military budget

[EmuWarlord]

The most success I have had so far is to just fly at 10-12km altitude and out-range them which gets me a free kill or sometimes two

[JuX]

Originally posted by Lv.27 Arsonist:

i mean we cant be much of an help without actually seeing the issue maybe a clip of the event or replay ? i have never had anything similar to that issue, maybe you got splash damaged due to flying extremely low ? happened to me a few times with AIM-54s

While footage helps, but it's not an necessity. If you have experienced combat against 11.3 and above aircrafts you should have grasp on the topic.

Like my experience of MIG-29 getting impossible lock on me being belly landed on runway.

And what are you using as frame of reference? At about 11 and below you do not necessarily need chaff. All you need to do is be lower then enemy aircraft on deck and it's impossible for them to lock you. So the moment you skyline for them, you get locked.

[CPT. Doc]

IMHO radar missiles are broken, I think they need a bit of a rework.

I have noticed that my AIM-7 active radar missiles will randomly go after another jet that I do not have locked up.

I have seen my radar missiles going for the target then just randomly turned down, it also feels like they work like IR missiles once they are within a certain range. With BVR combat the missile seems to not know where to go or what to do. There is like no point from what I can see in firing radar missiles at ranges greater then 10KM is they can easily be defeated.

[JuX]

Originally posted by CPT. Doc:

IMHO radar missiles are broken, I think they need a bit of a rework.

I have noticed that my AIM-7 active radar missiles will randomly go after another jet that I do not have locked up.

I have seen my radar missiles going for the target then just randomly turned down, it also feels like they work like IR missiles once they are within a certain range. With BVR combat the missile seems to not know where to go or what to do. There is like no point from what I can see in firing radar missiles at ranges greater then 10KM is they can easily be defeated.

The missiles are indeed in a bad state, but this is not a new issue. For example before the changes the F-4J still has tendency to launch "drunken" AIM-7F's that were going after wrong targets.

Once i actually fired a AIM-7F on aircraft that was below / front me with the F-4J and the missile went after his wingman that was 2-3km infront of it and killed it.


Oh and as bonus, recently i somehow destroyed a friendly AAA emplacement with AIM-9L.

[EmuWarlord]

Originally posted by CPT. Doc:

IMHO radar missiles are broken, I think they need a bit of a rework.

I have noticed that my AIM-7 active radar missiles will randomly go after another jet that I do not have locked up.

I have seen my radar missiles going for the target then just randomly turned down, it also feels like they work like IR missiles once they are within a certain range. With BVR combat the missile seems to not know where to go or what to do. There is like no point from what I can see in firing radar missiles at ranges greater then 10KM is they can easily be defeated.

I mean, the majority of my kills in the german mig29 have been at ranges 20km-30km with some being even longer if the enemy is also at high alt, while both mig29 and f16 have great radar that seems to ignore low alt, the main difference is that the f16 seems impossible to (reliably) notch.

[DrunkenTee]

Originally posted by JuX:

Originally posted by CPT. Doc:

IMHO radar missiles are broken, I think they need a bit of a rework.

I have noticed that my AIM-7 active radar missiles will randomly go after another jet that I do not have locked up.

I have seen my radar missiles going for the target then just randomly turned down, it also feels like they work like IR missiles once they are within a certain range. With BVR combat the missile seems to not know where to go or what to do. There is like no point from what I can see in firing radar missiles at ranges greater then 10KM is they can easily be defeated.

The missiles are indeed in a bad state, but this is not a new issue. For example before the changes the F-4J still has tendency to launch "drunken" AIM-7F's that were going after wrong targets.

Once i actually fired a AIM-7F on aircraft that was below / front me with the F-4J and the missile went after his wingman that was 2-3km infront of it and killed it.


Oh and as bonus, recently i somehow destroyed a friendly AAA emplacement with AIM-9L.

The good ol' days where I lock a Jet infront of me, fire my Aim-7 and it instantly launches into the upper right corner of my monitor for no reason whatsoever.