Leopard 2 PSO is... ok?

[Mizzar]

I mean, yeah its a nice thing Germany now has a new mbt but fr its a Leopard 2A5 with extra armor and its worse than the 2A6 and it CANT stop even russian apfds ammo on the front, meanwhile Sweeden use a copy of the Leopard (PLSS) and it CAN stop russian ammo on the front, its kinda sad lol

[Lemon]

Originally posted by Mizzar:

I mean, yeah its a nice thing Germany now has a new mbt but fr its a Leopard 2A5 with extra armor and its worse than the 2A6 and it CANT stop even russian apfds ammo on the front, meanwhile Sweeden use a copy of the Leopard (PLSS) and it CAN stop russian ammo on the front, its kinda sad lol

yeah, its the same thing again to where its just sad. they literally added more premium leopards that it doesnt look like sweden has more leopards but well, here we are, sweden is literally better germany in high tier, it makes no sense at all, especially why are they trying so hard to not add a leopard with ERA

and honestly again... why a heat round as a starter round at 12.0?

[FizzyElf]

Well the PSO isn't really meant to beat the Swedish leo's it's just there to pad the leo lineup for germany and add a little extra armor to make them more resistant to lower pen APFSDS rounds as well as be a good all around first spawn which can counter rocket heli's, light vehicles, god mode award farmers and enemy MBT's with equal levels of efficiency. If they wanted to compete with or surpass the Swedish leo's without adding the same model to the german tree then they would add something like the 2SG (basically the 2PL but with it's full kit making it a hull down menace and more tanky than the base 2A4/5 models.) or the 2E (2A6 with better armor and I believe better optics) or the 2A5PL, I can't remember the exact name for it but it's the same armor package as the PL but modified for the A5 instead of the A4 which like the 2SG would be very tanky compared to the base A4/5 models in game and with the benefit of lacking the frontal weak spot that the 2SG and PL have, making it a nightmare hull down unless you load HE and land a good hit on the roof.

[FizzyElf]

Originally posted by Lemon:

Originally posted by Mizzar:

I mean, yeah its a nice thing Germany now has a new mbt but fr its a Leopard 2A5 with extra armor and its worse than the 2A6 and it CANT stop even russian apfds ammo on the front, meanwhile Sweeden use a copy of the Leopard (PLSS) and it CAN stop russian ammo on the front, its kinda sad lol

yeah, its the same thing again to where its just sad. they literally added more premium leopards that it doesnt look like sweden has more leopards but well, here we are, sweden is literally better germany in high tier, it makes no sense at all, especially why are they trying so hard to not add a leopard with ERA

and honestly again... why a heat round as a starter round at 12.0?

To make us suffer. That is the whole point of the heat round, it makes players suffer just like no flares for top tier jets was used to make any stock top tier air player suffer.

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Mizzar:

I mean, yeah its a nice thing Germany now has a new mbt but fr its a Leopard 2A5 with extra armor and its worse than the 2A6 and it CANT stop even russian apfds ammo on the front, meanwhile Sweeden use a copy of the Leopard (PLSS) and it CAN stop russian ammo on the front, its kinda sad lol

Sweden trades in it’s firepower for armor. It’s just balance.

[x.god.of.hate.x]

Originally posted by Mizzar:

I mean, yeah its a nice thing Germany now has a new mbt but fr its a Leopard 2A5 with extra armor and its worse than the 2A6 and it CANT stop even russian apfds ammo on the front, meanwhile Sweeden use a copy of the Leopard (PLSS) and it CAN stop russian ammo on the front, its kinda sad lol

Yea thing is BOTH the PSO and PLSS have the same top hull armor package, same thickness same angle, yet the PLSS can stop alot more rods, and the PSO literally cant. I went and checked the armor values and what do you know? Germany gets BS'd again. Big shocker from a Russian developer.

[<I^_^]I_1C3Qu33n_X33_I[^_^]>]

Its a 2A5 with PSO kit while russian MBTs get it as modification germany has to grind a whole new vehicle, thats literally everything it doesnt do anything special its just the addon armor and the crows.

[Dogola]

Originally posted by x.god.of.hate.x:

Yea thing is BOTH the PSO and PLSS have the same top hull armor package, same thickness same angle, yet the PLSS can stop alot more rods, and the PSO literally cant. I went and checked the armor values and what do you know? Germany gets BS'd again. Big shocker from a Russian developer.

I don't think it has the same armor. Swedes have the additional hull armor plate the LEOs don't have.

PSO is total BS though, adds nothing new to the game while Italy gets the KF41 Lynx with Spikes Germany produces. Marder 1A5 and PUMA both are Spike carriers not in the game.

[DrunkenTee]

Originally posted by Dogola:

Originally posted by x.god.of.hate.x:

Yea thing is BOTH the PSO and PLSS have the same top hull armor package, same thickness same angle, yet the PLSS can stop alot more rods, and the PSO literally cant. I went and checked the armor values and what do you know? Germany gets BS'd again. Big shocker from a Russian developer.

I don't think it has the same armor. Swedes have the additional hull armor plate the LEOs don't have.

PSO is total BS though, adds nothing new to the game while Italy gets the KF41 Lynx with Spikes Germany produces. Marder 1A5 and PUMA both are Spike carriers not in the game.

There is supposed to be a new Puma coming to the game that will have Spike, so the current Puma wont be updated. Thats last I know of, but maybe they change their plans, seeing that the Puma went all the way to the Top now.

[DrunkenTee]

I agree that the PSO is a meh addition, especially to the very end of the line.. but atleast it has a HMG to defend against helicopters, and the ERA will come in somewhat handy against some autocannon belts and perhaps even rockets

[Mizzar]

Idk, i just would love if we could get a Leopard that doesnt get penned every time by every enemy APFDS , kinda ♥♥♥♥ watching how some enemys can stop incoming bullets(because they have armor/era or wathever) meanwhile your mbt cant stop any

[+rep Vollidiot]

Originally posted by DrunkenTee:

I agree that the PSO is a meh addition, especially to the very end of the line.. but atleast it has a HMG to defend against helicopters, and the ERA will come in somewhat handy against some autocannon belts and perhaps even rockets

except the era isn't working properly, and any apfsds will now pen the turret roof, something that on tanks like the normal 2a5A6 and strv 122 doesn't happen