Why the HELL is the type-87 RCV at 9.0, with the same gun as the vbc. but worse in every way?

[RougeTemptress]

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[Cha Cha Real Rough]

gaijin hates japan

[Kay]

The Type-87 is MUCH lighter, has basically the same armour, and is a little taller as far as I can tell, definitely doesn't seem worse

[RogueSoldier]

Originally posted by Kay:

The Type-87 is MUCH lighter, has basically the same armour, and is a little taller as far as I can tell, definitely doesn't seem worse

VBC is 2-plane stabilized. RCV is not. Try to look a little harder next time; its not hard to see Japan is the go-to punching bag for Gaijin.

Originally posted by Cha Cha Real Rough:

gaijin hates japan

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[Northy]

this entire thread sounds like a massive skill issue. Both are very usable secondly i've died more to the RCV than the VBC. Secondly guessing you all forget its a recon vehicle not a MBT. Maybe before complaining and whining learn what the vehicle is met to be used for

[RogueSoldier]

Originally posted by Northy:

this entire thread sounds like a massive skill issue. Both are very usable secondly i've died more to the RCV than the VBC. Secondly guessing you all forget its a recon vehicle not a MBT. Maybe before complaining and whining learn what the vehicle is met to be used for

Literally no one mentioned usability? were talking BR and relative performance of two vehicles, maybe read a little instead of complaining due to your illiteracy.

[Northy]

Originally posted by RogueSoldier:

Originally posted by Northy:

this entire thread sounds like a massive skill issue. Both are very usable secondly i've died more to the RCV than the VBC. Secondly guessing you all forget its a recon vehicle not a MBT. Maybe before complaining and whining learn what the vehicle is met to be used for

Literally no one mentioned usability? were talking BR and relative performance of two vehicles, maybe read a little instead of complaining due to your illiteracy.

Saying its bad because br is saying its unusable. Maybe you need to think a small amount to realize if anything VBC is worse simply do to size and a rather lackluster mobility trait. Secondly people who think japan is a bad and or worse than other nations need to take a long step back and consider they lack the ability and understanding to play said vehicles are said brs. Good example everyone hates on the cheiftans especially the mk10 but while doing so they fail to realize its only down side is its slow and not much else

[RogueSoldier]

Originally posted by Northy:

Originally posted by RogueSoldier:

Literally no one mentioned usability? were talking BR and relative performance of two vehicles, maybe read a little instead of complaining due to your illiteracy.

Saying its bad because br is saying its unusable. Maybe you need to think a small amount to realize if anything VBC is worse simply do to size and a rather lackluster mobility trait. Secondly people who think japan is a bad and or worse than other nations need to take a long step back and consider they lack the ability and understanding to play said vehicles are said brs. Good example everyone hates on the cheiftans especially the mk10 but while doing so they fail to realize its only down side is its slow and not much else

you must not really play at all if you think that a two-plane stabilizer is not a big deal and that the VBC is worse than the RCV. Also, japan is one of the worse nations to play, you'd know if you actually played it. I have top tier across multiple nations on multiple branches (including navy), and yea, japan is definitely the hardest of them all to play. I can turn my brain off with the big 3 specially Russia and Germany and just vibe check everything. not so much with Japan, that takes effort to achieve the same results.

[RougeTemptress]

Originally posted by RogueSoldier:

Originally posted by Northy:

Saying its bad because br is saying its unusable. Maybe you need to think a small amount to realize if anything VBC is worse simply do to size and a rather lackluster mobility trait. Secondly people who think japan is a bad and or worse than other nations need to take a long step back and consider they lack the ability and understanding to play said vehicles are said brs. Good example everyone hates on the cheiftans especially the mk10 but while doing so they fail to realize its only down side is its slow and not much else

you must not really play at all if you think that a two-plane stabilizer is not a big deal and that the VBC is worse than the RCV. Also, japan is one of the worse nations to play, you'd know if you actually played it. I have top tier across multiple nations on multiple branches (including navy), and yea, japan is definitely the hardest of them all to play. I can turn my brain off with the big 3 specially Russia and Germany and just vibe check everything. not so much with Japan, that takes effort to achieve the same results.

Exactly, my point in making this post was to point out how the vbc is 30x better

[RougeTemptress]

Originally posted by RougeTemptress:

Originally posted by RogueSoldier:

you must not really play at all if you think that a two-plane stabilizer is not a big deal and that the VBC is worse than the RCV. Also, japan is one of the worse nations to play, you'd know if you actually played it. I have top tier across multiple nations on multiple branches (including navy), and yea, japan is definitely the hardest of them all to play. I can turn my brain off with the big 3 specially Russia and Germany and just vibe check everything. not so much with Japan, that takes effort to achieve the same results.

Exactly, my point in making this post was to point out how the vbc is 30x better

Not to mention, along with the stab. It has more wheels (8) a higher top speed, and actually more armor. The vbc can’t be frontally 50’d. The 87 can

[RougeTemptress]

Originally posted by RougeTemptress:

Originally posted by RougeTemptress:

Exactly, my point in making this post was to point out how the vbc is 30x better

Not to mention, along with the stab. It has more wheels (8) a higher top speed, and actually more armor. The vbc can’t be frontally 50’d. The 87 can

Also the vbc has thermals

[Sierra-Six-Four]

Originally posted by RougeTemptress:

Originally posted by RougeTemptress:

Not to mention, along with the stab. It has more wheels (8) a higher top speed, and actually more armor. The vbc can’t be frontally 50’d. The 87 can

Also the vbc has thermals

yeah i see all those positives vanish on almost every city map where i can just zoom around in my RCV while most 8x8 vehicles struggle to even turn around.
btw for those who claim Japan is weak has not bullied any MBT from the big 3 with that sweet 4s autoloader, used some nice position with the hydro suspension or the speed where u are faster than any Leopard 2, just saying.

[Pec]

Originally posted by Venom Thanos:

Vidar is the only thing that should go up while the rest can stay where they are.

is3 / is6 / object 268 were also well warranted thanks to most of the threats to them going up in br before creating a situation where a significant chunk of the vehicles it fought physically couldn't damage it frontally

[mogami_99]

Originally posted by RogueSoldier:

Originally posted by Northy:

Saying its bad because br is saying its unusable. Maybe you need to think a small amount to realize if anything VBC is worse simply do to size and a rather lackluster mobility trait. Secondly people who think japan is a bad and or worse than other nations need to take a long step back and consider they lack the ability and understanding to play said vehicles are said brs. Good example everyone hates on the cheiftans especially the mk10 but while doing so they fail to realize its only down side is its slow and not much else

you must not really play at all if you think that a two-plane stabilizer is not a big deal and that the VBC is worse than the RCV. Also, japan is one of the worse nations to play, you'd know if you actually played it. I have top tier across multiple nations on multiple branches (including navy), and yea, japan is definitely the hardest of them all to play. I can turn my brain off with the big 3 specially Russia and Germany and just vibe check everything. not so much with Japan, that takes effort to achieve the same results.

Hi, You did not mean Japan navy is hard to play did you? Best torpedoes in the game. BR 5.7 is sweet since they can kill the 6.0-6.3 and really beat up 5.3-5.0 and besides that they have one of the best torpedo planes for your naval lineup and the level bomber is not bad either.
Coastal they have that PT-15 torpedoes 75mph 10k range. If not the best in coastal certainly a contender. The 5.7 lineup with both planes and PT-15 is great

[RogueSoldier]

Originally posted by mogami_99:

Originally posted by RogueSoldier:

you must not really play at all if you think that a two-plane stabilizer is not a big deal and that the VBC is worse than the RCV. Also, japan is one of the worse nations to play, you'd know if you actually played it. I have top tier across multiple nations on multiple branches (including navy), and yea, japan is definitely the hardest of them all to play. I can turn my brain off with the big 3 specially Russia and Germany and just vibe check everything. not so much with Japan, that takes effort to achieve the same results.

Hi, You did not mean Japan navy is hard to play did you? Best torpedoes in the game. BR 5.7 is sweet since they can kill the 6.0-6.3 and really beat up 5.3-5.0 and besides that they have one of the best torpedo planes for your naval lineup and the level bomber is not bad either.
Coastal they have that PT-15 torpedoes 75mph 10k range. If not the best in coastal certainly a contender. The 5.7 lineup with both planes and PT-15 is great

Hows blowing up the Scharnhorst or Kronshtadt in an IJN BB going? because I can assure you, 6 IJN BB's shouldn't have to the equal 1 of those (which is usually does in most if not all matches). Right now Alaska, Scharnhorst, and Kronshtadt are uncontested but more so the latter 2, Alaska can be magazine'd somewhat reliably. IJN cruisers are really only good for speed and laying torps down which take a half a match to possibly net a kill or few. In the meant time they make easy pickings for just about other nation cruisers. They're usually the primary targets I look for since they're so easy to magazine; makes the Des Moines class look like a battleship in terms of protection next to IJN cruisers. IJN coastal is just pitiful compared to Russian/German/British coastal. have you ever tried to fight against a SKR, Terra Nova, or PR.206 in a PT-15? doesn't end well for the PT-15. Even smaller american PT boats smoke the PT-15 easily.

The B7A2/Homare 23 are the only decent torp bombers but are absolute crap compared to american torp bombers like the BTD and the AM-1 let alone the Skyraider's. Also, "level bomber?" I can only assume you mean things like a medium and heavy bomber, which I know you never used otherwise you'd be saying otherwise. G5N1 is too slow and lacks that heavy punch and G8N1 doesn't have enough punch. the only real heavy bombers that do well in navy are the ones with large bombs like the 2500 kg on the HE-111, 5000 kg on the PE-8 or the 12000 lb on the Lancaster's.

[RougeTemptress]

Originally posted by Sierra-Six-Four:

Originally posted by RougeTemptress:

Also the vbc has thermals

yeah i see all those positives vanish on almost every city map where i can just zoom around in my RCV while most 8x8 vehicles struggle to even turn around.
btw for those who claim Japan is weak has not bullied any MBT from the big 3 with that sweet 4s autoloader, used some nice position with the hydro suspension or the speed where u are faster than any Leopard 2, just saying.

Not only does type-10 (Apfsds) not spall for ♥♥♥♥, but also non-pens way more than it should. Not to mention the unrealistic armor, japan's lack of IFV's and SPAA. Its messed up.