KV220

[Bu3(SW)]

"The KV-220’s Battle Rating will be increased to 6.0 in AB and RB."
https://forum.warthunder.com/t/planned-battle-rating-changes-for-the-month-of-october/33834/1452

Are you friggin kidding me!!!! I mean come on it came in at what 5.3BR. yea 5.3 was a bit OP when it first came out because hardly anything could kill it. However over the years so many changes to ammo have been made and so many tanks were added with much higher pen. that it was not really that big of an issue to kill them anymore. However you already raised it up to 5.7BR meanwhile its cannon is still the same the ammo is still the same and now it is increasing to 6.0!!! That means it will be fighting 7.0 tanks regularly.

It is not fair for those of us that grinded out for this vehicle or even those that bought it to have it crapped on this much. I get that all vehicles get crapped on at some time when balancing happens and more so when a vehicle is strong or highly favored. However 5.3 to 6.0 is too much especially when you consider as you raise the IS's you are even giving them better ammo. What did the KV220 get when it is forced into such a high BR? Nothing at all.

[RollClassic]

Okay.

The VRCC premium tank I paid $60 went from 9.0 a couple months ago to 9.7 since I bought it and every single other premium in the Italian tech tree also went up in BR.

Not like we can get refunds, so why complain? B)

[Bu3(SW)]

Originally posted by RollClassic:

Okay.

The VRCC premium tank I paid $60 went from 9.0 a couple months ago to 9.7 since I bought it and every single other premium in the Italian tech tree also went up in BR.

Not like we can get refunds, so why complain? B)

Because this is a balance issue. This specific tank was already balanced (*cough nerfed*) several items over. It has always had for the heavy tanks a weaker gun. The armor when it first came out was insanely OP and back then this current BR change would have made sense. However now with all the changes that have happened since it's release it will make no sense at all and make this tank pretty much useless.

[Velico]

Originally posted by Bu3(SW):

"The KV-220’s Battle Rating will be increased to 6.0 in AB and RB."
https://forum.warthunder.com/t/planned-battle-rating-changes-for-the-month-of-october/33834/1452

Are you friggin kidding me!!!! I mean come on it came in at what 5.3BR. yea 5.3 was a bit OP when it first came out because hardly anything could kill it. However over the years so many changes to ammo have been made and so many tanks were added with much higher pen. that it was not really that big of an issue to kill them anymore. However you already raised it up to 5.7BR meanwhile its cannon is still the same the ammo is still the same and now it is increasing to 6.0!!! That means it will be fighting 7.0 tanks regularly.

It is not fair for those of us that grinded out for this vehicle or even those that bought it to have it crapped on this much. I get that all vehicles get crapped on at some time when balancing happens and more so when a vehicle is strong or highly favored. However 5.3 to 6.0 is too much especially when you consider as you raise the IS's you are even giving them better ammo. What did the KV220 get when it is forced into such a high BR? Nothing at all.

It's amusing to see RU mains witness what has happened to many other nation vehicles. The French EBR's have been uptiered so much their guns feel like spaghetti. The 1954 went from like 4.3 all the up to 6.7. I played it a lot at 6.3 and it was good but I don't think it deserved to go up. Welcome to the club, enjoy your stay.

(KV-220 is widely disliked for how trolly its armor and reliable gun it has, much like the KV-1B and 1E at 4.0)

[Aleuvian]

Originally posted by Bu3(SW):

Are you friggin kidding me!!!! I mean come on it came in at what 5.3BR. yea 5.3 was a bit OP when it first came out because hardly anything could kill it. However over the years so many changes to ammo have been made and so many tanks were added with much higher pen. that it was not really that big of an issue to kill them anymore. However you already raised it up to 5.7BR meanwhile its cannon is still the same the ammo is still the same and now it is increasing to 6.0!!! That means it will be fighting 7.0 tanks regularly.

It is not fair for those of us that grinded out for this vehicle or even those that bought it to have it crapped on this much. I get that all vehicles get crapped on at some time when balancing happens and more so when a vehicle is strong or highly favored. However 5.3 to 6.0 is too much especially when you consider as you raise the IS's you are even giving them better ammo. What did the KV220 get when it is forced into such a high BR? Nothing at all.

The issue you aren't seeing is that, at 5.3, a KV-220 can get downtiered to 4.3, where it verges on being almost unkillable. It has the hull of a Tiger 1 without the MG port weak spot, and an even stronger turret than a Tiger E. I think it being the same BR as the Tiger E or higher is entirely warranted.

[Legion]

Lmao how dare they balance one of the most trolly/OP vehicle in the game after all the recent balancing thats gone one..

[Bu3(SW)]

Originally posted by Legion:

Lmao how dare they balance one of the most trolly/OP vehicle in the game after all the recent balancing thats gone one..

It has not had trolly armor for years and the gun has always been one of its largely downsides along with its depression and reverse speed.

[Bu3(SW)]

Originally posted by Aleuvian:

The issue you aren't seeing is that, at 5.3, a KV-220 can get downtiered to 4.3, where it verges on being almost unkillable. It has the hull of a Tiger 1 without the MG port weak spot, and an even stronger turret than a Tiger E. I think it being the same BR as the Tiger E or higher is entirely warranted.

What are you on about it has an MG weakspot and lets face it downtiers are incredibly rare. It is more likely that most of the time it will be at its max uptier. I am not even suggesting bringing it back to 5.3. At 5.7 it goes down to 4.7 not 4.3. The turret has massive weakspots, the mg port is a weakspot and the sides are weakspots.

[Empees0]

This is the biggest case of a skill issue I've seen yet. The KV-220 is by far one of the most OP tanks currently in the game.

You have armor unlike anything else at 5.7 with 100mm all over the vehicle and mobility compareble to that of a panther. Hell, as long as you angle the 220 like a tiger you'll be damn near indestructible.

In addition to that, you also have a very powerfull lineup with lots of vehicles at 5.3-5.7, meaning that you could solo carry a whole team IF you have a moderate amount of skill.

Anyone who has ever played the KV-220 would know this, and thus they would try to prevent it from going up in BR.

Heres a link to thunderskill showing the KV-220 preformance over the last month, the sample size for it may be a bit small but it gives you an idea of how powerfull it is.

https://thunderskill.com/en/vehicle/ussr_kv_220

[CaptainSpacetime]

yeah KV-220 is busted. only BR change that actually makes sense.

if they delete its magic armor it can stay at 5.7

[HEEROCKSS]

most of the time i was at 5.7-6.3 range with this tank and it was always performing ok and i guess it will be like this in future. If the rare case happens and i get a full uptier, ill just go the insta-leave-mode and go back to hangar as soon as i get killed by a 7.0

[HEEROCKSS]

first round, full uptier, 2nd place, kv220 only

[HEEROCKSS]

second round, 6.7, 1st place, 80% kv220 20%T-V

[HEEROCKSS]

third round, 2nd place, 90% kv220 10%pe8

So far i would say the tank feels mostly the same as before.

[FireFromBehind]

Smells like a skill issue

[Cop Unit 12]

Originally posted by Venom Thanos:

The super Pershing and king Tiger only has to hit your kv220 once and you die.

I've 1 tapped it with Solid Shot before from the front before.

Anyway I view the KV-220 as just a in-between IS1 and IS2 but if you know where to aim it just dies instantly.